HOF Version 3 - "Test Run"

[eric_A]

I notice one problem for the USA.

USA have the wonder hoover dam at start (put a hydro plant in each city), but hydro plant needs factory to be effective... and USA can't build factories because they have a special factory (manufact plant ? not sure about the name)...
So hydro plant can give their 50% production bonus only in the cities that start the game with the classic factory...

Muzbang:
As I understand it the Hydro plant gives a 50% production boost to the
city, not the factory. The only connection between the hydro plant and
the factory is that you must have a factory in a city before you can build a hydro
plant, but since you have the wonder that does not apply in this case.

 

[Arexander]

Lanz, I've renamed most of the German units, including "Bautruppen" and "Arbeiter". "Bautrupp" -units are Workers with 2 movement points and "Arbeiter" -units are Workers with 1 movement point. Just making it clear as their original name was the same.

 

[Lanzelot]

Lanz, I've renamed most of the German units, including "Bautruppen" and "Arbeiter". "Bautrupp" -units are Workers with 2 movement points and "Arbeiter" -units are Workers with 1 movement point. Just making it clear as their original name was the same.

How funny: I didn't notice they were renamed, I just assumed that my German version of C3C was using the "translated" names... But I realize now that that would require that Eric had already translated them and shipped them with his scenario...

In any case, I am refering to the following house rule from post #1:

German construction brigades are restricted to use within Europe and must stay west of Warsaw

So I guess the 2-movement workers are the "construction brigades", and those are not allowed east of Warsaw, while the ordinary 1-movement workers are allowed to go east?

By the way, while reading through them once again, I noticed that I accidentally violated the following rule yesterday:

Changing Laborers pre-Production Phase
No breaking into the build sequence and changing Laborers from high commerce tiles to high production tiles by navigating through the city arrows or F1. Changing the Laborers in a city which has already completed it's production phase is allowable though.

I was not happy with Arexander's decision to build so many ships, so I went through the towns in the interturn and changed most coastal towns to build land units. However I think that most of these ships would not have completed during that interturn anyway, so I could as well still have changed the production during my turn. Hope this is ok then?

Lanzelot

 

[muzbang]

Muzbang:
As I understand it the Hydro plant gives a 50% production boost to the
city, not the factory. The only connection between the hydro plant and
the factory is that you must have a factory in a city before you can build a hydro
plant, but since you have the wonder that does not apply in this case.

A city with hydroplant, and without factory : bonus production = 0%
A city with hydroplant, and with factory : bonus prod = 50% + 50%

USA, have hydro plant in every city thanx to Hoover dam/
But hydro plant are only giving 50% prod if the city have a factory.

So major part of the US hydro plant are useless, as it is impossible to build factories for the USA.

Hope i'm understandable....

 

[eric_A]

German and Russian turns have been played but there was
a delay in posting because Lanzelot Emailed me with some
concerns about the game. I have now replied and am
waiting for the German results before I post Russian summary.

 

[Lanzelot]

Ok, Eric cleared up my questions, so we can continue. Here's my battle report:

East:
XX Inf Corps takes Sevastopol!
A Panzer Corps kills T34 near Maikop
An Inf Div dies in Blizzard?!
Inf Army kills regular Fortress Division in the fortress between Rostov and Voronezh.
Heavy bombardment reduces Russian T-34 Army near Moscow to yellow, but unfortunately no German tank force left to finish it off.

("Quintili Vare, legiones redde!" Or translated into modern language: "Arexander, gimme back my tanks!" ... )

Three Blizzards and two Partisans (?) killed by German Infantry.

West:
Gneisenau and Scharnhorst and their minor ships bombard American Battle Fleet west of Brest.
CV Ranger sunk by German U-Boot

semental: if you get the turn, please don't play yet. I hope to send you an email later on. (The Allies are clearly cooperating, so I think we need to coordinate a bit as well )

Lanzelot

 

[eric_A]

Apr. 1942

Offensive Against Finland Begins!

Finn 1st and 2nd fortress divisions bombarded
by Baltic Fleet, DB and 3 FA and killed by Kalinin Front

Tula bombarded by HA and DB, 4th army damaged 11/13

E of Karkov:
1 Panzerarmee bombarded by 3 DB, 3 MB, 1 HA
damaged 10/13

2 tiles East of Sevastapol:
Stack bombarded by Blacks Sea Fleet & 2MBs
Belgrad garrison damaged 4/5
XIV PanzerKorp damaged 5/8

Last 2 Blizzards disbanded

Partisans destroy road E of Riga

 

[eric_A]

A city with hydroplant, and without factory : bonus production = 0%
A city with hydroplant, and with factory : bonus prod = 50% + 50%

USA, have hydro plant in every city thanx to Hoover dam/
But hydro plant are only giving 50% prod if the city have a factory.

So major part of the US hydro plant are useless, as it is impossible to build factories for the USA.

Hope i'm understandable....

Muzbang:
I did some testing and it looks like you are correct, but it is not obvious
reading the help information in the editor. It must be another one of those
hard coded "features". I'll have to investigate this further.

 

[muzbang]

Ok course, there is not really information, no more in the editor than in the civilopedia.
It's just the way it is...

You can verify, easyly...
start a game with USA, then find a city with factory (and hydro plant.. of course is present thanx to hoover dam).

I recommand to first sell all buildings that give production (except the factory)

Note the total production, and the brut production (counting shields in the tile worked by citizens).

Total prod = brut prod x [1 + 0,5 (factory) + 0,5 (hydroplant) ]

Then sell the factory....

Total prod = brut prod, that means that the hydroplant no longer gives 50% production bonus without factory !!!

And it's the same with all plants... they only give bonuses if city have a factory.

Then, this can be corrected, if USA can product factory (instead of manufacturing plant... that replace the factory).

 

[aksully]

China

-2 MBs damage the IJA N. CHina Army to 6/13
-The rest of the Chinese forces are running for their lives

South Atlantic
-DD (on training cruise with Sea Scouts) 2/3 rams into an Axis SS and Sinks it

GPS to CW

Sully

 

[That-Guy]

CW Apr 1942 GPS

Home Front:
-Cherbourg
Dover guns bombards cherbourg MG 2/3.
Marine Corp kills Mg 5/6.
FT makes flak 1/2.
Commandos kill flak and capture Cherbourg.
Militia kills Construction Brigade 1 tile S of Cherbourg.
CW fighter shoots down Me109 SE of Cherbourg.

MB destroys road with irrigation 2 tiles ESE Cherbourg.
HB destroys road 2 tiles SE of Cherbourg.
MB destroys SSE 2 tiles Cherbourg.
HB destroys road 1 tile NW of Paris.
HB reduces RR 1 tile W of Paris.

-Norway AF
BB King George V damages German ID 1/3.


Palembang:
SS sinks transport 2 tile E of Palembang.

SE Asia:
14th Army (2 CW ID) kills Jap 25th Army on Mandalay AF. 1 destroyed Zero.

MB bombs 3rd ID 3/4 1 tile S of Mandalay AF.
MB makes 1/4.
HB bombs 48th ID 2/5.

North Africa:
-Benghazi
BB Queen Elizabeth damages German destroyer 2/3.
BB Resolution makes 1/3.
DB kills civilians.
DB destroys barracks.
BB Valiant sinks German Destroyer.
MB makes MG 2/3.
MB makes Para Div 3/4.

-Casablanca
MA sub spotted 2 tiles S of Gibraltor.
HA makes 2/4.
BB Royal Sovereign makes 1/4.
DD Inglefield sinks 3/3.
BB Rodney makes Biplane 2/3.

-Oran
DD Hasty bombards Biplane 1/3.
DD Jervis destroys biplane.

 

[semental]

what is DB?

 

[That-Guy]

Dive bomber.

 

[semental]

Dive bomber.

Yea, I figured it out after a while. Being a bit dense but think ships not planes.

S. Athens
DD Orianis trips over a sub and is sunk. DD Dardo avenges.

Tobruk - MD lost to AA, Further bombing damages ships/units.

Sub lost to CW CL Ajax

Maikop - Lost MD to fighter. Subsequent bombing destroys fighter and kills citizens.

Helsinki - FArty shells army. It would be nice if the static defense could be a little less static.

 

[muzbang]

USA REPORT


Atlantic :

German Ship Stack bombarded : ("=>" means bombardement)

US heavy Bomb => Prince Eugene
US Dauntless => Prince Eugene
US Dauntless => Scharnhorst
US Torpedo B => Gnesenau
US BB idaho => Axis destroyer
US CA Quincy => Z16DD
US CCLA Atlanta =>Scharnhorst
US CA Withchita => Gnesenau
US CL brooklin => Axis destroyer

US Arkansas sunk destroyer
US New Mexico sunk prince eugene
US North carolina sunk Scharnhorst
US Aomaha CL sunk Gnesenau
US Obrian sunk by german sub (in stack)
US DD ingraham sunk by sub (same)
US sub sunk sub
US DD anderson sunk by Z16DD
US DD sunk Z16DD

Pacific :

Est Pearl harbor :
US MEdium B => Axis Battle cruiser
US Devastador => BB Aruna
US BB Oklahoma sunk axis BC
US Heavy Cryuser sunk BB aruna

North Pearl Harbor :
Heavy bomber => CA tone
US devastador => BB Mutsu
CL memphis => BB nagato
DD farrengut => INJ heavy cruiser
CA New orleans => INJ HC
CL raleigh => CA suzuka
CL Helena => CA myoko
DD mugford => CA Chukuma
BB california => CA Takao
BB west Virginia => CA mikuma
BB nevada => CA Nagoto
BB Washington => BB Fuso

US sub sunk CV Hyriu

 

[aksully]

Sounds like the IJN Imperial Fleet felt a little "Heat" from the USN this turn! And it would seem the bulk of the German Fleet is....KAPUT!!!

Nice shooting Muz!!! And I really like your shortcut for Bombardment too!!

Sully

 

[Knutis]

The Imperial Fleet retreats from Pearl Harbor, but makes a short stop at Los Angeles

Los Angeles:
IJN BB Ise sinks US Transport
Val Bomber shot down by fighter
Val shot down by Flak
2 Fighters and 1 Bomber destroyed on the ground
Val Bomber shoots down fighter
Two mines destroyed

Outside Ichang:
Zero shot down P40
IJA Inf Div kills MA Militia
IJA Inf Div kills MA CID
IJA Inf Div kills MA CID
IJA North China Army kills MA 1st China Army

Kweiyang:
Zero shot down by fighter

Port Moresby:
IJA Marine Div kills CW Marine Div
City recaptured

Rabaul:
IJN SNLF kills CW Militia
City captured

Palembang:
IJN CL Jintsu sinks CW sub

Ceylon:
IJN DD Fubuki s CW DD

 

[Lanzelot]

In the West:
Inf Corps attacks and re-takes Cherbourg.
Inf Div dies vs British Militia?!? A second one prevails.

Eastern Front:
Panzergrenadier Div shoots the Partisan who had blown up the road 1E of Riga
Another Panzergrenadier accidentally rolls over a Partisan while reconnoisancing 1W of Maikop.
Panzergrenadier dies attacking Inf Div south of Murmansk, an Inf Div finishes the job.
Bombardment and Inf Armies kill three minor units west of Moscow.
One Russian Inf killed between Rostov and Stalingrad.

There's still a Blizzard 1E of Moscow...

 

[eric_A]

May 42

South of Moscow:
German 4th Army bombarded by 3 FA, 2 DB, 1 fighter, 4 MB, 1 HA
Reduced to 7/13
West Front attacks 4th Army and loses but reduces to 1/13
Bryansk front (8/9) finishes off 4th Army

Near Helsinki:
Minor Axis Stack bombarded by 2 FA, 1 BB, 1 DD
Inf. Div. and militia killed by Kerilian Front
Last militia killed by Rifle Army

CA bombards Helsinki: Finn I corp damaged 5/6

Sevastapol bombarded by 1 CA, 3 DD, no effect

W of Maikop, 392 inf. div. damage (1/4) by DB

Romanian 4th army bombed by MB, no effect

Partisan destroys road SW of Minsk

1 Blizzard disbanded

 

[aksully]

-Chinese MB Reduce IJA N. China Army to 5/13

GPS to CW

Sully