Holland refuses turkish FM to enter country, Erdogan retaliates calling dutch ministers nazis

[Kyriakos]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...vusoglu-plane-landing-rotterdam-a7624246.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39242707

Turkey referendum: Dutch are Nazi remnants - Erdogan

Just another day in the Euroworld.

Story is that the foreign minister of Turkey, an envoy of turkish president Erdogan, was to arrive at Holland (at Rotterdam) so as to to give a public speech to turkish people living there who can vote in the pending referendum in Turkey as to whether the powers of the president (Erdo) must be increased. The FM (Cavusoglu) was denied entry/landing to Holland because he made a threatening statement along the lines that if the dutch government tries to limit/hinder his speech event in Rotterdam there will be "serious counter-actions by Turkey against Holland). Dutch gov claimed that this made the arrangement for the visit "unworkable".

Erdo later on said that the dutch gov ministers are "remnants of nazism".
Dutch elections will happen soon, which may be why the Dutch government wanted to have a harder stance against civilized turkish behavior

-When will Turkey be in the EU?

 

[uppi]

I am disappointed by Erdogan's lack of creativity in making insults. Calling the Germans Nazis after some local politicians found all kinds of bureaucratic reasons for canceling speeches of Turkish ministers was already quite unimaginative. Just copying that insult for the Dutch is just lazy. At least it is fun to see the Dutch being the target of Erdogan's rants for once.

-When will Turkey be in the EU?

At this rate? Never.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Well, you can at least call it very intolerant and anti-multicultural!

Saint mother Europe, where do you go these days???

 

[FriendlyFire]

Well, you can at least call it very intolerant and anti-multicultural!
Saint mother Europe, where do you go these days???

Liberal socailist has failed, its time for Europe to try National socialism again ?
With the Pro-EU turkey disporea living in Europe currently and mass protest against Edrogan, it looked like the situation was about to turn violent.

Like every EU country the line of freedom of expression ends at incitment, this came very close to provokation

 

[metatron]

Erdogan retaliates calling Dutch ministers nazis

He calls everyone who disagrees with him a nazi.
It's super not effective.

So he's a SJW.
Or greek.

*shrug*

 

[Commodore]

Someone want to explain to me why the EU and the US didn't make sure that coup attempt a few months back succeeded?

 

[Kyriakos]

I am disappointed by Erdogan's lack of creativity in making insults. Calling the Germans Nazis after some local politicians found all kinds of bureaucratic reasons for canceling speeches of Turkish ministers was already quite unimaginative. Just copying that insult for the Dutch is just lazy. At least it is fun to see the Dutch being the target of Erdogan's rants for once.



At this rate? Never.

It is a bit ironic that he calls them nazi when it is known that 'Mein Kampf' has been a best seller in Turkey for decades

 

[NovaKart]

"How dare those Nazis try and interfere with a referendum to establish my increasingly authoritarian rule!!"

 

[Kyriakos]

"How dare those Nazis try and interfere with a referendum to establish my increasingly authoritarian rule!!"

Though the dutch have a general election pending, so the gov clearly wanted to save some votes from Wilders (further right than the nazi remnants). I think Wilders is favoured to win (?). A sort of dutch version of Trump.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Dutch has general elections in a couple of days. It is most logical and previsible to ban any speech by foreigners interfering with a part of the electorate. What i find amazing is Turkish lack of prevision/acuity shown here. Or maybe it was premeditated so Erdogan has something to moan about and call somebody nazi in order to interfere dutch elections, which shows a high degree of prevision/acuity plus an even higher degree of evilness/repulsiviness (if such word exists).

 

[red_elk]

Someone want to explain to me why the EU and the US didn't make sure that coup attempt a few months back succeeded?

They did their best to make it succeed, as it appears.
Now Erdogan is a little bit pissed off.

 

[Kyriakos]

They did their best to make it succeed, as it appears.
Now Erdogan is a little bit pissed off.

I really doubt they did much. If they had then the coup would have been more formidable, like those other 30 coups in Turkey in the past

 

[dutchfire]

Double election stunt, both for Erdogan and for the Dutch.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Someone want to explain to me why the EU and the US didn't make sure that coup attempt a few months back succeeded?

You are so not Nazi!

 

[red_elk]

I really doubt they did much. If they had then the coup would have been more formidable, like those other 30 coups in Turkey in the past

Rebels apparently planned to arrest or kill Erdogan, but somebody warned him. The entire coup failed only because they lost surprise element.
I even heard assumptions about who this somebody might be.

 

[warpus]

Someone want to explain to me why the EU and the US didn't make sure that coup attempt a few months back succeeded?

It seems clear at this stage that the coup was for the most part "fake". i.e. a bunch of people thought it was real and were going along with it, but the government knew what was up and was ready. Look at what happened right after the coup attempt.. It was an excuse to get rid of people the government didn't like.

 

[The_J]

The muslim mayor of Rotterdam apparently responded to this by saying that it should not be forgotten that this city was bombed into the ground by the Nazis, whereas Turkey signed a non-aggression pakt with the Nazis one year later. (too lazy to find a source righ now)

Seems the family minister of turkey also tried to reach the Netherlands by car from Germany, but was denied entrance and escorted back to Germany again.

 

[Commodore]

It seems clear at this stage that the coup was for the most part "fake". i.e. a bunch of people thought it was real and were going along with it, but the government knew what was up and was ready. Look at what happened right after the coup attempt.. It was an excuse to get rid of people the government didn't like.

Well, that's where European and American covert intervention would come in. We could have turned that fake coup into a real one.

EDIT: Not to mention it might have created the added bonus of getting Turkey to leave NATO voluntarily. Years later, when the documents detailing American and European involvement in toppling Erdogan's regime would be leaked, the Turkish people would cry out for their government to end all association with the US and EU.

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, that's where European and American covert intervention would come in. We could have turned that fake coup into a real one.

EDIT: Not to mention it might have created the added bonus of getting Turkey to leave NATO voluntarily. Years later, when the documents detailing American and European involvement in toppling Erdogan's regime would be leaked, the Turkish people would cry out for their government to end all association with the US and EU.

If Turkey leaves Nato it is set to be partitioned in an ensuing war, so i think that not even Erdogan wants to leave Nato.
Yet there won't be much of a Nato if most of the EU declares its own "alliance". Not sure if that will happen either, and it won't work that well, but would not include Turkey anyway.

 

[warpus]

Well, that's where European and American covert intervention would come in. We could have turned that fake coup into a real one.

EDIT: Not to mention it might have created the added bonus of getting Turkey to leave NATO voluntarily. Years later, when the documents detailing American and European involvement in toppling Erdogan's regime would be leaked, the Turkish people would cry out for their government to end all association with the US and EU.

NATO members actively supporting a coup attempt in another NATO country? No matter what the potential payoff, that is not something that would ever be attempted.