homeyg and Deity

[homeyg]

I got a pretty normal looking start with Qin of the Chinese. Deity pangaea, of course. Like I said, anyone can try it and post their progress in the game, and I will do the same!

This usually means that there are better resources around the start, correct? Or is this some kind of myth I've talked myself into.

 

[Betruger]

I'll give this one a shot.
If that wheat is the only food source the capital will be quite poor. That wheat is not even on fresh water.

 

[iamnleth]

Don't be fooled, this capital will run cottages like no other!!

 

[BurN]

2800BC = owned.

Warning, resource/map/ai spoiler.

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[homeyg]

2800BC = owned.

Warning, resource/map/ai spoiler.

Spoiler :

I made it pretty far past that.

 

[homeyg]

Here's what mine looks like a few turns after bulbing Philosophy.

Spoiler :

My cities are small because I'm still in the process of whipping buildings.

Mehmed looks like he should be really easy to take out. I've had all my espionage points going towards him since the beginning.

 

[BurN]

Seems you built some wonders early on huh? Or did the AI box you in that fast? How will you go to war though, there's only horses. :x

I'll have to restart my game thanks to the barb uprise. There wasn't even a warrior in the capital, game over. I was planning to rex though: build worker->grow size 3->chop worker->chop settler->chop worker->chop settler etc ..

I was aiming to get the gold+gems city, marble+fish and stone+sheep. Then there's 2 backfilling cities: fish+gold city and spices city. But I'll see how far I can get.

 

[Betruger]

I got pwned as well:

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First I got boxed in pretty badly despite chopping settlers and stuff.
Then I realized that noone had Oracle yet, and with Marble on hand I was able to quickly snatch it at an extremly late date of 950BC

That brought me to tech parity, I traded it for Alpha, Maths, Currency, Monarchy and IW. Also I managed to bribe Monty into attacking Perciles with it.However in 600BC Mehmed declared on me and it was all over.

Lights out...
This was a very difficult setup. Very little room to expand + one entirely useless trait. I'm curious to see if anyone manages to have a decent game here.

 

[Xurr]

Mehmed looks like he should be really easy to take out. I've had all my espionage points going towards him since the beginning.

You had better start producing the units to take him out now. Otherwise Toku will dow you soon enough and then its all over.

 

[SnowlyWhite]

why don't you ppl. enter world builder when those archers spawn in -3k?

I mean, mathematically you couldn't stand them, the event is just dumb...

 

[iamnleth]

I want to have a go at this, but I've read all the spoilers and don't want to jump into a game feeling like I'm doing something that's "against the rules". I don't doubt that I'd get slaughtered, though... even with pre-game knowledge of the setup.

 

[druidravi]

Got pwned as well

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Mehmed declared war and took the city with amphibious attack from galley! . Monty declared on Pesciles though .

Expanded to 5 cities , the crap city at the bottom is supposed to get maoi since I have stone. Will reload some turns back and go hunting>archery after Aesthatics . I also had Alphabet/ Aesthatics for a couple of turns should have checked Mehmed had too much on hands and bribed someone to attack him or something. I also had a chariot in the city which I sent out the previous turn.

The game is extremely difficult though. We are right in the centre and Mehmed , Pascal have only us as neibhours. No room to expand and two low level traits . UU and UB are almost useless here as well. It would need crazy diplomacy to see this game through.

 

[Betruger]

I tried to instigate wars among the AIs, but only Monty has agreed, and he wanted Metal Casting + Alphabet for it.
Some civs just didn't like me enough to declare war on someone, while others would do it, but for more than I could offer.

 

[druidravi]

@^

Spoiler :

Very true . Maybe be an early archery detour is the answer since Mehemed stack while scary against only warriors, can't do much to protective archers . Chariots suck for early defensive war as they get no defensive bonuses.

 

[BurN]

Seems Mehmed is owning some people. I'll give it a try when I have a bit more time and hope I don't share the same fate.

I think this is a very interesting game, as there's a lot of options to work with.

- We could chariot rush Mehmed. Probably placing a city north to grab the marble+ivory and Block Pacal. If we can cut off his metals/horses (if he has any) it should be easy. It'll give us less neighbours, less trouble. Also we would have only two cities to defend afterwards, the capital and the marble city.

- We could tech archery and rex. Building cheap walls to help the power graph and defense against a dow. We can do a possible war with cats+elephants+horse archers later. If we choose to do so, cottage the capital and use farms everywhere else early game. Archers+walls is great but we got a big chance on getting pillaged if we get dow'ed.

- We could expand slowly and wonderspam. This will get us only 2-3 cities total so we need to go warring with elephants or horse archers afterwards.


I really don't like playing prot/ind on pangaea. I don't think we will have much time to actually build wonders here. Protective might prove useful when we get to riffling.



edit: Druid, what kind of patch are you using? I like how informative your gui is.

 

[homeyg]

Well, that's annoying.. I loaded up my game, ended the turn and then Mehmed declared war on me!

 

[BurN]

Well, that's annoying.. I loaded up my game, ended the turn and then Mehmed declared war on me!

x_x Mehmed causing troubles. I think archers might be the solution to this start. Or an early rush maybe.


As for my shadow, played till 300BC.

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Since I had to restart the game due barb uprise, I tried to replay the game as authentic as possible. Same warrior moves, build & tech order.

Early tech path: BW->AH->Wheel->Pottery->Writing. Got mysticism from hut.
Build order: Worker->4x warrior till size 3->worker->settler->worker->settler->worker->partial barracks till size 4->settler. Lots of chopping.


2480 BC - Shanghai, early GP farm. It can become a good com/prod hybrid later in the game.





2160 BC - Guangzhou, military city.





1360 BC - Nanjing, resource grabber. It can grow of the sea with a lighthouse.





300 BC - Just researched Drama. I'm not sure yet what tech path to take. Bureaucracy would be sweet for the capital but phil might get me more trades. I don't want to found taoism though, it would be nice to have more then two religions. Blue cross indicates next city, which should be a prod site. The settler will be done in two turns as you can see.





Tech overview - 1 turn before getting drama, so just add drama to it. I can trade lit+drama to Pericles for col. And maybe I can get feud/constr from Pacal soon.





Recap

Tech path throughout the game: BW->AH->Wheel->Pottery->Writing->Polytheism->Archery->Aesthetics->Masonry->Literature->Drama. Other techs were by trade.

Resources: I only traded gold to Toku for his crabs. I'm in hereditary rule, we got spices, gold, gems, ivory ... plenty of happiness resources so I'm only trading for health resources or gold.

Diplo: Monty is annoyed towards me, Roosy cautious, the rest is at pleased. Might get a few to friendly in the next bunch of turns.

I think it looks pretty good atm. At least better then the Izzy game. There's still room for another city, grabbing the gold which would be a nice Moai Statues city. I used my first GS for an academy in Beijing so I can't bulb phil. Next gs arrives in +- 25 turns or so, he can bulb a part of education but it'll depend how fast the AI is teching towards lib.

I might want to war against Mehmed once I get Elephants/cats. It's going to be a pain but he's not that big so it might be doable. Also since Pericles got theo, we might see the AP soon .. which could be annoying if we want to whack Mehmed. But I could play peaceful till riffles or something, I'll have 6 cities so Oxford is already in.

 

[homeyg]

Quick question, BurN. Did you do any whipping, or just chopping?

I went food crazy at first and whipped all my buildings, and also the 3 workers I had (I obviously need to work on getting more workers out earlier). I saved most of the forests in the capital for chopping the GL.

As for my game (which I think I've gone to far to restart without feeling like I know too much), I think that if I had just plopped down 1-2 more cities, I would be set. I easily got the Great Library in my capital, easily bulbed Philosophy, and could have easily gotten to Liberalism first. If I had a few more cities, that may have put me in a stronger position to where Mehmed would not have attacked me. Then I could have drafted a rifle army to attack him with.

 

[BurN]

Just chopping, I didn't switch to slavery till I had monarchy. I think whipping would be counterproductive if you want to get a lot of workers/settler out.

edit: You could just restart the game, I doubt anyone would mind. I think this is a nice start: No real early AI dominance or big vassal masters, pretty good resources, etc..

 

[homeyg]

Just chopping, I didn't switch to slavery till I had monarchy. I think whipping would be counterproductive if you want to get a lot of workers/settler out.

edit: You could just restart the game, I doubt anyone would mind. I think this is a nice start: No real early AI dominance or big vassal masters, pretty good resources, etc..

I think I will restart tomorrow.