Homophobia in Russia

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm
Banned Moscow gay rally broken up

More than 70 people have been arrested in Moscow after activists tried to hold the city's first gay rights rally, despite a ban on the event.
About 50 gay rights supporters were held, as well as 20 people from religious and nationalist groups opposed to the march.

On Friday, a court upheld a ban on the march imposed by the city authorities who argued it could trigger violence.

Saturday marks 13 years since Russia's decriminalisation of homosexuality.

A number of foreign activists are in Moscow for a forum on gay rights.

About 1,000 riot police were deployed close to Red Square in the heart of the city to stop the rally from taking place and prevent clashes with its opponents.

They moved in when a group of activists tried to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, in a symbolic protest to equate the struggle for gay rights with the struggle against fascism in World War II.

The rally's organiser, Nikolay Alexeyev, was among those arrested.

Slogans and abuse

Meanwhile demonstrators representing nationalist and Orthodox Christian groups chanted anti-gay slogans and shouted abuse.

Eyewitnesses said several foreign gay rights activists were beaten by protesters.

"What happened today unfortunately is representative of the non-respect for human rights in Russia. You can't express your point of view, and you are not protected from extremists," said French activist Sebastien Maria.

Nationalist groups expressed anger at the nature of the action at the tomb.

"We are Russians. We are Orthodox. These soldiers died so we could live like Russians, not so these people could come here and tell us what to do," Andrey, 25, told Reuters news agency.

Both groups moved up one of the main city streets to a square outside the Moscow city government offices, where more arrests followed.

Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov said he had banned the march because he believed homosexuality was not natural and because the event would cause outrage in society - a position supported by many Christian and Muslim groups.

He said that as long as he was mayor he would not allow such events to take place.

Mr Alexeyev said the march would not go ahead as originally planned, but promised a public action nonetheless.
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When I loook at Russia, I see a very intolerant country:(

And whats more this intolerance is supported and furthered by religious groups and politicians!
 
Guys, don't speak about something, when you dunno situation. Understand, Russia is very different from most european countries. Our nation is conservative and spiritual (lol). I'm absolutely quiet about gays, but I'm against parades. Don't understand, what does it for. I'm pacifist, but there're some aggressive people, who can hit the gays if they'll go to parade.
Church in Russia is orthodox, how you call it. It's really much more orthodoxal then Catholicism or Protestantism. You know, orthodoxal church in Russia, Greece and Romania even wanted to forbid "Da Vinci Code"
 
It's early days for freedom of expression in Russia, if as AndyTerry said there was an element of actually wanting to protect the Gays from the bashers then I can understand banning it, however the cops actually beating up the gays would make a joke of that opinion, it's a political minefield for the government I'd imagine on the one hand maybe it wants to show the west it is more tolerant to freedom of speech, on the other the police are showing precisely the opposite. I wonder if there's another side to all this. What do the Russian papers say I wonder?

I wonder if any of the cops were gay?
 
Many here know nothing about Russia. As a Russian I find your attacks offensive. Russia is not intolerant, it just doesn't support homosexuality, and neither do most nations of the world, and neither do I. Please remove your offensive comments from this thread.
 
AndyTerry said:
garric
I say so too :)

Nothing in news I see... At least, it's not one of main subjects in today's news
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The people will not care, they will attempt to discredit Russia in any way they so chose to, to fulfil their liberal agendas. I hope the mods close this thread before it gets out of hand.

You can not export ideologies.
 
garric said:
Many here know nothing about Russia. As a Russian I find your attacks offensive. Russia is not intolerant, it just doesn't support homosexuality, and neither do most nations of the world, and neither do I. Please remove your offensive comments from this thread.
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Neither do I, but they at least should be able to express their opinion in protests or rallies. I'm not worried that they suppressed a homosexual rally, but rather that they banned a rally at all.
 
garric said:
Many here know nothing about Russia.
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Indeed, I agree but I do know something but nobody really understands Russia in overall scale, hardly even the russians themselves.
garric said:
Russia is not intolerant, it just doesn't support homosexuality, and neither do most nations of the world, and neither do I.
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Let me put this together...Russia isn't intolerant, but doesn't support homosexuality and neither do you, and you are russian.
:confused:
So what's the problem?
Which is the offensive part if you admit yourself being against homosexuality?
Doesn't it mean you are intolerant?

And yes like Andy Terry put it, Russia is definately different from other European countries. It's in league of it's own.
 
aussieboy said:
Neither do I, but they at least should be able to express their opinion in protests or rallies. I'm not worried that they suppressed a homosexual rally, but rather that they suppressed a rally at all.
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You do not understand how things work in Russia. You can not export Western democracy and try to somehow apply it to Russian politics. These parades were banned, they were commited against the law. They broke the law, the protestors were arrested, it's that simple.
 
garric said:
Many here know nothing about Russia. As a Russian I find your attacks offensive. Russia is not intolerant, it just doesn't support homosexuality, and neither do most nations of the world, and neither do I. Please remove your offensive comments from this thread.
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Ahahahahahah! Liberal agenda!

Wait, why are you such a fierce American antionalist, but now you're such a fervent Russian nationalist? :crazyeye:
 
C~G said:
Indeed, I agree but I do know something but nobody really understands Russia in overall scale, hardly even the russians themselves.
Let me put this together...Russia isn't intolerant, but doesn't support homosexuality and neither do you, and you are russian.
:confused:
So what's the problem?
Which is the offensive part if you admit yourself being against homosexuality?
Doesn't it mean you are intolerant?

And yes like Andy Terry put it, Russia is definately different from other European countries. It's in league of it's own.
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Because I do not subscribe to your liberal doctorine doesn't make me intolerant. Excuse me for having my own beliefs and opinions.
 
nonconformist said:
Ahahahahahah! Liberal agenda!

Wait, why are you such a fierce American antionalist, but now you're such a fervent Russian nationalist? :crazyeye:
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Was this some sort of attack against me?

I am an American citizen, as well as a Russian citizen. I grew up in the Soviet Union in a way, though I am an American citizen right now. I am of both countries and I support both of them.
 
That's even worse. The authorities should not have banned the rally. They should have just sent riot police to monitor the situation.
 
garric said:
You do not understand how things work in Russia. You can not export Western democracy and try to somehow apply it to Russian politics. These parades were banned, they were commited against the law. They broke the law, the protestors were arrested, it's that simple.
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An unjust law is an illegitimate law.
 
garric said:
Because I do not subscribe to your liberal doctorine doesn't make me intolerant.
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What makes person intolerant then?
Or are you meaning that you don't support homosexuality but neither you do anything against it?
garric said:
Excuse me for having my own beliefs and opinions.
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garric, the liberal doctrines I support happen to give me opportunity to allow you to have your own beliefs and opinions.
 
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