Hostages found dead.

[Tycoon101]

Here is the answer: Create another Terrorist army, that is not backed by the USA or any other world power, and fight the Terrorists at their own game. Give them terror, and be what they wish to be. To fight the enemy we must fight LIKE the enemy.

And it is a pity that two noble men died for their country. I feel for their families.

 

[MobBoss]

Do you know this for a fact?

Yes, I do know that for a fact. Senator McCains anti-torture bill was passed and signed was it not?

What exactly is torture is it only physical, or do all the suicides constitute a level of hopelessness among inmates, that indicate a never ending cycle of no trial, no geneva convention, no reason too?

Was Ghandi tortured when he almost committed suicide by starving himself as a protest? You assume much with no proof to back it up.

You don't know what is going on there

And neither do you. Period. In fact, I am perfectly willing to bet I know more about the situation by far than you do, via my channels in the military.

and until you do it behooves you to leave the absolutes in the happy box surely?

Not anymore than it behooves you to keep it in the cat box. Surely.

 

[Homie]

What exactly is torture is it only physical, or do all the suicides constitute a level of hopelessness among inmates, that indicate a never ending cycle of no trial, no geneva convention, no reason too?

No, I don't think they are pondering the Geneva convention, news flash, nobody really cares about the Geneva convention except Internet debaters.

What they DO care about is honor, being captured and interrogated is not very honorable, they'd rather go out with a blast (literally). Failing that, they take their own lives, they have been mentally prepared to die ever since they joined whatever fight they thought was worthy. Thats why they kill themselves in capitivity, not because the Geneva convention is not being upheld

 

[Tulkas12]

Suffice to say, don't cite 9-11 as a justification for Iraq. Just because they are Arab doesn't mean they are responsible.

I can cite w/e I want for justification. Today I cite grunge music, cause its from your city.

Whatever, speaking here is hopeless. People are hopeless. Despair has set in.

 

[MobBoss]

No, I don't think they are pondering the Geneva convention, news flash, nobody really cares about the Geneva convention except Internet debaters.

What they DO care about is honor, being captured and interrogated is not very honorable, they'd rather go out with a blast (literally). Failing that, they take their own lives, they have been mentally prepared to die ever since they joined whatever fight they thought was worthy. Thats why they kill themselves in capitivity, not because the Geneva convention is not being upheld

Well, it could be (and I am just guessing here) that they know fully well that their suicides in gitmo will have more effect in the Jihad than their return to Afghanistan and ultimate transformation into worm food will have.

Whatever, speaking here is hopeless. People are hopeless. Despair has set in.

Not to kick you while you are down and all...but you dont "speak" here....you write.

 

[Sidhe]

No, I don't think they are pondering the Geneva convention, news flash, nobody really cares about the Geneva convention except Internet debaters.

What they DO care about is honor, being captured and interrogated is not very honorable, they'd rather go out with a blast (literally). Failing that, they take their own lives, they have been mentally prepared to die ever since they joined whatever fight they thought was worthy. Thats why they kill themselves in capitivity, not because the Geneva convention is not being upheld

Oh dear strawman, so when you set out to deprive captives of rights they don't feel that all they have left is despair, but they are suicide bombers all of them(despite having no trial) Nice prejudice there, ever heard of guilty before being proved innocent? Nah it's just guilty, lock 'em up throw a way the key NIMBY.

And anyway look into why these conventions came into place, not into why you can mock it because you have no understanding of it's historical framework or reason, and didn't care to find out because the internet is god and everything it tells you is the whole of the law. Man you guys are in a cycle of hatred it's going to take a hundred years to fathom, let alone devolve yourselves from, I find that the best argument is to not acknowledge you, and that is wise. oops too late. Who really cares what the most insular nation on Earth thinks, your values are all handed to you on a plate and nothing anyone else thinks matters. The ever decreasing circle of self delusion, I am right and nothing you can say is worth acknowledging, because the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth is everything I'm given by the internet and by my government. Hope it works out for ya.

 

[Neomega]

I can cite w/e I want for justification. Today I cite grunge music, cause its from your city.

Whatever, speaking here is hopeless. People are hopeless. Despair has set in.

Ok, go ahead and cite whatever you want, they might still agree with you at nationalReview.com or some other right wing blog in a no fact zone.

But as for civfanatics, or any other forum in the reasonable world, 9-11 and Iraq are unrelated, and only those who are too ignorant to know better are the ones who still try to make a relationship.

Or would you rather I start talking about how 9-11 was perpetuated by our own government.... it's makes as much sense as you trying to use 9-11 as a justification for Iraq.

 

[Tulkas12]

Ok, go ahead and cite whatever you want, they might still agree with you at nationalReview.com or some other right wing blog in a no fact zone.

But as for civfanatics, or any other forum in the reasonable world, 9-11 and Iraq are unrelated, and only those who are too ignorant to know better are the ones who still try to make a relationship.

Or would you rather I start talking about how 9-11 was perpetuated by our own government.... it's makes as much sense as you trying to use 9-11 as a justification for Iraq.

Its your government too, and if you insist on flaming, I'll be forced to report you. I amno more ignorant than any other my fellow civfanatics brethren. I surf, I read, and I decide. We are sort of responsible, I agree, but what people like you fail to understand is that everything that we did to "start" this
had reasons. So be as vicious as you can be, contrary to what you think, I do know what I speak of and will stand by my opinions. In no way did I say Iraq was responsible for 9/11. You put that into this thread not I. Talking points maybe?

 

[Neomega]

Its your government too,

Hence the use of the word "our"

and if you insist on flaming, I'll be forced to report you.

I am not flaming, I am pointing out that you tried to tie 9-11 to Iraq.

I amno more ignorant than any other my fellow civfanatics brethren. I surf, I read, and I decide.

Apparently you are, since you still fail to retract your statements about 9-11 and Iraq being related.

So be as vicious as you can be, contrary to what you think, I do know what I speak of and will stand by my opinions. In no way did I say Iraq was responsible for 9/11. You put that into this thread not I. Talking points maybe?

Your right I think we should pull out and wait for another 9/11

I scored very high in reading comprehension on the SAT. Don't try to play me for a fool, and act like this isn't what you meant.


Lets put it this way... did 9-11, in your opinion, lead to any justification for the invasion of Iraq?

To even mention 9-11 so casually, is a disengenuous attempt to tie the two. The two are completely unrelated, you know it, and I know it, so next time you want to talk about Iraq, leave 9-11 out of it, or I will call you on it.

 

[Tycoon101]

Lets put it this way... did 9-11, in your opinion, lead to any justification for the invasion of Iraq?

If you harbor terrorists that attack my bretheren (Even if you didn't actually attack) then you are an enemy. That is how I feel. We deposed a dictator who commited genocide amongst his people and allowed terrorists to train within his country. I believe that this is the point that Tulkas is trying to hammer in.

 

[Neomega]

If you harbor terrorists that attack my bretheren (Even if you didn't actually attack) then you are an enemy. That is how I feel. We deposed a dictator who commited genocide amongst his people and allowed terrorists to train within his country. I believe that this is the point that Tulkas is trying to hammer in.

no, Tulkas used 9-11. 9-11 is not related to Iraq.

If by 16 degrees of separation you try to tie 9-11 to Iraq, then it ispointless to debate, because by 16 degreees of separation, I could tie Osama Bin LAden to George W. Bush

 

[Tulkas12]

Hence the use of the word "our"



I am not flaming, I am pointing out that you tried to tie 9-11 to Iraq.



Apparently you are, since you still fail to retract your statements about 9-11 and Iraq being related.







I scored very high in reading comprehension on the SAT. Don't try to play me for a fool, and act like this isn't what you meant.


Lets put it this way... did 9-11, in your opinion, lead to any justification for the invasion of Iraq?

To even mention 9-11 so casually, is a disengenuous attempt to tie the two. The two are completely unrelated, you know it, and I know it, so next time you want to talk about Iraq, leave 9-11 out of it, or I will call you on it.

Ok. Lets clarify. Instead of 9/11, lets say another haneous terrorist attack. I tie the potential attack with Iraq, because if we are veiwed as having failed there, we wwill certainly be attacked again. If we leave there,we will cetainly be seen as loosers.

If you were Einstien your opinions would still be just that. . . opinions. I scored very high as well, if I have mistakenly mislead you I apologize, it still doesn't call for flaming. You have called me dumb and now ignorant, both are personal insults and invalid in a debate anyways.

I could of swore I read a "y" before our the first time I read that.

 

[.Shane.]

because by 16 degreees of separation, I could tie Osama Bin LAden to George W. Bush

Actually, you need about 3.

 

[Tulkas12]

Actually, you need about 3.

Ya, this is very true. Wait are you sure it isn't just 2?

 

[Neomega]

Ok. Lets clarify. Instead of 9/11, lets say another haneous terrorist attack.

Sure, now,

When has Iraq ever attacked the United States?

I tie the potential attack with Iraq, because if we are veiwed as having failed there, we wwill certainly be attacked again. If we leave there,we will cetainly be seen as loosers.

And the longer we stay there, we will certainly be attacked again. It is a lose lose situation. But hey, I never supported the war in the first place.

If you were Einstien your opinions would still be just that. . . opinions. I scored very high as well, if I have mistakenly mislead you I apologize, it still doesn't call for flaming. You have called me dumb and now ignorant, both are personal insults and invalid in a debate anyways.

You are trying to weasel out of what you said. You tried to tie Saddam to 9-11. I won't have it. Then you tried to act like that wasn't your intention. It has happened time and time again in the news, where a pundit says 9-11 in the same breath as Saddam, creating a subliminal linker. But not here. I will not stand for it, and I will call you out on it.

 

[malclave]

9-11 is not related to Iraq.

IMO, the atacks on Septemeber 11th are related to the situation in Iraq only by being the "enough is enough" event which woke the U.S. up to the threat of terrorism.

Saddam was not involved in the 9/11 attacks, but don't pretend that he was adhering to the cease fire or univolved in terrorism.

 

[Tycoon101]

Hmm... A question on disrespect and evil countries: Do you think that we are more at risk from terrorists, or Korea and Iran?

And in regard to 9-11, where were the terrorists trained?

 

[MobBoss]

When has Iraq ever attacked the United States?

They planned and put into operation an attempt to assassinate former President George H.W. Bush didnt they?

Sorry, just had to toss that in to make the point.

 

[Neomega]

And in regard to 9-11, where were the terrorists trained?

United States and Afghanistan. Lets Bomb Florida!

 

[Neomega]

They planned and put into operation an attempt to assassinate former President George H.W. Bush didnt they?

Sorry, just had to toss that in to make the point.

OH, so it is justified to invade countries for assasination attempts? Is that what Iraq was all about?

So all us "libruls" were right about W just being mad about Saddam trying to assassinate hid daddy. 2500 Americans dead because W is mad.