ok I started over, as I do most times...for a huge/standard/Chinese/Pangaea/king map. i'll post a screen shot. i'm doing better then I was on prince this time around ..though I've not completed the nc yet... the reason for this is, I was unable to get the appropriate calendar tech before great library...don't ask. lol but I did finish the pyramids first and chopped to the gL. so that was good, also good: I have a number of archers that can (in a couple more techs) be upgraded to super archers or whatever Chinese makes...ok~ ~off to play some lord of the rings mmo. laters.