How do Conservatives hold their views in a Liberal area?

[GenMarshall]

As I began to admit and notice my flip-flopping issue as well as trying to change my views to fit in. I am wondering how Conservatives stick on strongly to their views dispite being in a Liberal area, regardless if they post in CFC OT or talk to people face to face. I do ask to keep the discussion as well advice in a civil manner .

 

[covok48]

"trying to change my views to fit in."

Simple, we don't attempt to do this ^
Conservative ideals are not subject to shifts in popularity or political correctness. Oh and Conservatism is not a political affiliation, it is simply a world view that holds certain capital 'T' truths and an aknowledgment that there is indeed right and wrong way to go about things

Oh and it's really made easy when leftists who claim to be so open-minded, tolerant, and educated are none of the above regarding those who don't agree with them. More often than not they resort to childish namecalling/ slurs and personal attacks or elitist patronizing (or all the above) which only validates the arguments of those they claim to be "hateful", "bigoted", "racists" or [insert PC term here].

 

[Sidhe]

I know plenty of liberal people, bigotry isn't limited to a class of people, just the human race, some so called liberals claim to be open and tolerant but they aren't always and some carefull digging sometimes turns this up. Political affiliation does not define who you are, it defines who you vote for, sometimes I think people just don't get that they don't have to hold certain broad views to be a conservative, people aren't like that. Which is why conservatives can move unnoticed amongst liberal areas, there beliefs arent that stereotypical in most cases. Although I can think of one or two people I know personally who I could say are stereotypical, it's not common at least in my experience.

 

[Stylesjl]

Conservatism is simply a resistance to change, one CAN resist change here. I have many times

 

[EdwardTking]

Conservatism is simply a resistance to change, one CAN resist change here. I have many times

Conservatism is derived from the verb word "to conserve",
I.e. a desire to retain the good things that we already have.

It does not necessarily mean simple resistance to change,
although many conservatives are indeed resistance to change,
but rather implies a tendency to be cautious about change.

I consider myself a conservative. But I recognise the need to change.
However not all change is good, and bad changes should be resisted.

The mistake many conservatives make is to think that there can
be no change and therefore resist all change, rather than
positively going for the necessary and the good changes.

 

[YNCS]

Conservative, n. A person who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others. -Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

 

[Sidhe]

Conservative, n. A person who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others. -Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

Sorry for the spam but I found the good book great find thanks YNCS.

http://www.alcyone.com/max/lit/devils/a.html

ABSTAINER, n.
A weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure. A total abstainer is one who abstains from everything but abstention, and especially from inactivity in the affairs of others.

Said a man to a crapulent youth: "I thought
You a total abstainer, my son."
"So I am, so I am," said the scrapgrace caught --
"But not, sir, a bigoted one."


Marvelous. We all know the nonsense that comes from the self righteous quitter

BACCHUS, n.

A convenient deity invented by the ancients as an excuse for getting drunk.

Is public worship, then, a sin,
That for devotions paid to Bacchus
The lictors dare to run us in,
And resolutely thump and whack us?

Also excellent

 

[Perfection]

"trying to change my views to fit in."

Simple, we don't attempt to do this ^
Conservative ideals are not subject to shifts in popularity or political correctness.

What are these unchanging ideals you talk about?

Oh and Conservatism is not a political affiliation, it is simply a world view that holds certain capital 'T' truths and an aknowledgment that there is indeed right and wrong way to go about things

That seems like a broad and dubious definition. What are these "capital 'T' truths" you talk about? What Given that people characterised as liberals make criticisms of the conservative behavior, they must believe that there are "right and wrong" ways to go about things.

Oh and it's really made easy when leftists who claim to be so open-minded, tolerant, and educated are none of the above regarding those who don't agree with them.

I don't think this characterises all those described as "liberals"

More often than not they resort to childish namecalling/ slurs and personal attacks or elitist patronizing (or all the above) which only validates the arguments of those they claim to be "hateful", "bigoted", "racists" or [insert PC term here].

And conservatives don't?

People are petty, stupid and hypocritical regardless of political affiliation, so don't judge political affiliations based on how petty, stupid, and hypocritical some of thier members are because in doing so all affiliations would look like crap.

 

[Bronx Warlord]

I respect others opinions as long as they respect mine. I don't have the time nor the paitence to try and convert people to my thinking. I'd rather make a few good points and call it a day.

 

[Leonel]

Easy! I just don't talk about it unless they insist that they would like to know. I mean I'll listen to others talk and I'll smile and nod and try to reciptrocate the discussion as best and neutrally as possible.

 

[Elrohir]

Quite simply, know what you're talking about, and what you believe. If, say, you believe abortion is wrong, then you need an argument to back it up. If you say "Abrotion is wrong because that's what the Pope says" then no one is going to pay attention to you. At least not any serious and good attention. You need to have a better argument than that.

Really, if you're going to spend much time debating or discussing things, you should look, and read around to see what the various arguments are for various positions, liberal and conservative. Once you find the ones that make sense to you, make sure you know how to back them up, and are able to coherently explain why they make sense to you.

I hope that helped, a little bit at least. Good luck CG.

 

[Sidhe]

Quite simply, know what you're talking about, and what you believe. If, say, you believe abortion is wrong, then you need an argument to back it up. If you say "Abrotion is wrong because that's what the Pope says" then no one is going to pay attention to you. At least not any serious and good attention. You need to have a better argument than that.

Really, if you're going to spend much time debating or discussing things, you should look, and read around to see what the various arguments are for various positions, liberal and conservative. Once you find the ones that make sense to you, make sure you know how to back them up, and are able to coherently explain why they make sense to you.

I hope that helped, a little bit at least. Good luck CG.

Quoted for inherent truthery.

That applys to me and many others, my half baked rhetoric based on memory is matched only by the speed I can research a subject so that I can actually sound vaguely coherent, sometimes someone will pull me up and I can reply quickly with links albeit hastely found ones

So here's another bit of advice, know your position before you make a sweeping statement, or some cunning blighter will stone you into submission.

When I maintained that hell was a fabrication of the middle ages, I was so snowed over by biblical quotes I had to admit to defeat, despite hell in all it's descriptions in the bible being very non comittal about what it consisted of. Dante has a lot to answer for

 

[garric]

I live in one of the most liberal places in the world - the Bay Area of California. When you're around people who think that they are better than the rest of the nation it's rather hard to have any voice in anything. Most of the time, if I say anything on my mind (which I abstain from nowadays), I am called a racist or a sexist or whatever, my opinion is disregarded and scoffed at like it means nothing.

And anyone claiming liberals are more open minded than conservatives is kidding themselves.

 

[YNCS]

Sure, garric. That's why Ann Coulter denounces anyone who disagrees with her politically as a traitor. I won't even talk about Rush Limbaugh and the lies he tells about liberals.

 

[tomsnowman123]

And anyone claiming liberals are more open minded than conservatives is kidding themselves.

It's not a matter of liberals being more open-minded than conservatives, or vice-versa. It's a matter of some people being more open minded than others, and some people are liberals, others are conservative. I don't think anyone is in a position to make a generalization like this about people of a specific political party.

 

[DBear]

Liberals' conniption fits over Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh show what I've always said about liberals--they can dish it out, but they can't take it.

 

[Perfection]

Liberals' conniption fits over Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh show what I've always said about liberals--they can dish it out, but they can't take it.

Just like conservatives conniptions over Micheal Moore...

 

[Tycoon101]

I live in a liberal area, and I've found that avoiding politics altogether is fine for me. As long as I have a president in the White House who shares many of my values then I am fine. Unless the government encroaches on me then I get angry, but I don't mind my silly neignbors who are indifferent or Liberal.

 

[garric]

Just like conservatives conniptions over Micheal Moore...

Whereas liberals take offense to Rush and Ann, complaining endlessly, conservatives just consider Moore as more ammunition to call liberals idiots for listening to his stuff.

 

[Perfection]

Whereas liberals take offense to Rush and Ann, complaining endlessly, conservatives just consider Moore as more ammunition to call liberals idiots for listening to his stuff.

Actually, I think both sides do both.