How do we define our provinces?

[Shaitan]

Originally posted by Chieftess
*tries to beat Shaitan's T3 line while editing...*

You beat me.

 

[Chieftess]

Originally posted by Shaitan

You beat me.

 

[disorganizer]

CT: thats why we discuss it... My job at the cartographic office is to push forward discussion of borders. With any measures i see appropriate
So my job is to start discussion, what i did. Btw: Thos proposals will always end in a poll. Binding and Official... Now dare you dont implement them PI is watching you ;-)

 

[Chieftess]

Maybe it was your wording that threw me off. I was going to have a PI watch you. And probably the way I interpreted the constitution.

 

[brownbomber]

Varient A all the way

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

ha! dual posting!
@shaino wonder your so fast. im only a cable.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Chieftess
Yes, but Disorganizer can't define the borders. Only the domestic department can do that, I believe. What if the domestic department doesn't want their borders like that? Stop taking over everyone's job dis.

And here I thought it was up to the citizens.... (silly me)

 

[disorganizer]

Well, in fact it is. The rules say the domestic department sais who MAPS the borders, not who DEFINES them. Now thats nice ;-)
Anyway, due to the free-speach act, nobody can actually deny discussion on the topic ;-) And as we have 2 supporters minimum, we can even force them to put up a binding poll. But as this area is not governed by a department (yet), we could even setup a binding poll as citizens )

 

[donsig]

Perhaps we should just poll to be sure our second city will be part of Bohemia. We need to know that now but can't define the exact borders of the provinces till we see more terrain.

 

[Chieftess]

I think too many polls will just kill the game. I mean, I don't want it ending up where we have a poll on every possible posistion on the map!

 

[disorganizer]

We could define the lines we have in the proposal, which will help us until we know more and will bring up to 3 provinces.
If we find a line where we can end one of the provinces, we will poll on putting a borderline there.

 

[ipris]

I think this is a good start. The physical terrain for the most part will be a constant that we can work with. the lines can be futher clarify as we progress in city placement. we may have issue with a city placed on a hill top though i suppose...

 

[Octavian X]

I like the lines. I would wait some more, to see if the mountians on the sea go down further. I don't like the idea of the capital on the edge of the province.

 

[disorganizer]

the benefit of the edge-idea is that more provinces profit from low-corruption. if the capitol is in the middle of the province, only the capitol province will profit from it.
an idea would be to place the capitol as its own province (city province) and group the normal provinces around it (i would then prefer the capitol=capitol province to be governed by domestic department as governor). or maybe to have a different province-capitol than the national capitol (bohemia would have a capitol of the province and would hold the national capitol).

 

[Almightyjosh]

Originally posted by disorganizer
the benefit of the edge-idea is that more provinces profit from low-corruption. if the capitol is in the middle of the province, only the capitol province will profit from it.
an idea would be to place the capitol as its own province (city province) and group the normal provinces around it (i would then prefer the capitol=capitol province to be governed by domestic department as governor). or maybe to have a different province-capitol than the national capitol (bohemia would have a capitol of the province and would hold the national capitol).

Great, I give him a job and the first thing he wants to do is get rid of me. Great.
Seriously though, I think that it is fine to have the Capital in a Province. In terms of Provincial v National Capital, take a look at the guidelines I've proposed as Provincial Law.

I would propose that the first few cities are nominaly part of Bohemia until we no enough of the terrain to make an informed decition on borders. I think the benefits of the capital should be shared, but that the borders proposed are FAR too close to the capital. Give it some space people!! Also, the province in the North may be all water, which would be a second-rate province.

 

[donsig]

How about a new screenshot? Don't we have more info from last night's turn chat?

 

[Danke]

I agree that I would like to see a little more before assigning borders, but knowing what we know now, this is really good. Nice job, Dis.

 

[disorganizer]

Not much news there. The forest line seems to be spanning from bavaria to the south-west up to aztech-land.

The mountain range seems to span to northwest.

See cartographic office for a map. Not enough things for discussion. We should continue exploration to south and east.

 

[Grandmaster]

May sounds either a) really stupid or b) really obvious, but when we destroy the Aztecs, would it make sense to make all fo the Aztec territory a single province? For the reasons of their proximity to one another, their over-all distance from the capitol, and their provincial history and identity, I suggest grouping the Aztecs into a single province (Aztekae?)

 

[disorganizer]

We must see their territory before that, as we decided to use geographical provinces.
But i second you that the idea of having culturally oriented provinces as well is charming ;-)

Maybe if other support this as well, a poll of an addition to our rules would be fine, to change the sole geopgraphic orientation there to geographic and/or culturally oriented.