Shaitan
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dis, could you update your proposal with the new terrain that's been revealed?
How do we define our provinces?
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It not too nice, but i think we wont decide it now (we will propably wait 1-2 more tc's minimum for it)
Shaitan
der Besucher
One small change. That single tile that was in "Prov 4" should go to the capital province. You can see that it is coast on 2 sides and abuts the cap prov on the other 2 sides.
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I think we will need further information on that, as we dont know where the land goes till now... i would prefer waiting till we get a view of the right side of this picture...
anyways, the main idea we seem to comply on is to use the mountain range as one borderline.
anyways, the main idea we seem to comply on is to use the mountain range as one borderline.
I think we should wait until we have more land. Otherwise, we'll run into provincial redistribution problems again. Remember Greater Cormyr?
Shaitan
der Besucher
I have to admit, I sort of like the single city for the capital province (and Forbidden Palace province) idea too. Sort of like a Washington DC...
Danke
Judge Advocate
DBB? District of Bavaria Bohemia?
Shaitan
der Besucher
Bavaria, District of Bohemia. DB for short. 
Eklektikos
Eponymous
The idea of the capital having a province to itself is appealing, but seems a tad pointless to me. Plus it could result in the capital governorship becoming a relatively unpopular post.
I have to agree on that. It's realistic, but here we have to think about game play. In the last game, we were lucky to have a huge pangaea-like continent. So, we were able to have large provinces. We still need to see what ours looks like. If they're 'smaller' continents, we may only have 2-3 provinces per continent.
Shaitan
der Besucher
I think the capital(s) governorship will always be an appealing position. It's always going to have the lowest corruption and likely the highest citizen count in the nation. With a single low corruption city it'll be the perfect spot for somebody who wants to contribute and be involved in running the government but can't commit the time to run a 10-12 city province.
It will also get our Senate up to a participatory size faster without using the city-state idea. All of the provinces near the capital will have some good low corruption cities. I like this idea more and more as I think about it.
Chieftess - Size doesn't matter. The capital province would be a single city size. An island continent that nicely fits 2 or 3 provinces would still fit 2 or 3 provinces plus the capital province. Since we've got at least 2 other civs on our landmass, both from a different cultural group, we're probably on a fairly sizeable chunk of earth in any case.
It will also get our Senate up to a participatory size faster without using the city-state idea. All of the provinces near the capital will have some good low corruption cities. I like this idea more and more as I think about it.
Chieftess - Size doesn't matter. The capital province would be a single city size. An island continent that nicely fits 2 or 3 provinces would still fit 2 or 3 provinces plus the capital province. Since we've got at least 2 other civs on our landmass, both from a different cultural group, we're probably on a fairly sizeable chunk of earth in any case.
donsig
Low level intermediary
I would like to point out that we must get moving on this. According to Section D.1.A of the CoL, provincial borders must be defined ahead of expansion and must be approved by congress. Since this has not been done our second city will not officialy be a part of Bohemia and it will be up to the Domestic Leader (which we don't have) to post build queues. (See D.1.F of the CoL.) Also, according to CoL Section C.2.F.7, the Domestic Department is responsible for organizing the mapping of provincial borders.
I think, at the very least, we need a citizen poll to confirm that city number two will be part of Bohemia.
I think, at the very least, we need a citizen poll to confirm that city number two will be part of Bohemia.
donsig
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neutral leader
governor of bohemia
a few thoughts on this:
a. i like the idea of making conquered ares their own province based on a cultural similarity
2. the mountains west of bavaria are a beautifully set provincial border, we should make use of them
3. the capitol should have a province, where it will be both national and provincial capitol, that streamlines administration tremendously through intelligent centralization
d. placing bavaria at the edge of the province to spread the low-corruption wealth is, i think, a good way of maximizing its advantages
just my viewpoint to encourage discussion.
a. i like the idea of making conquered ares their own province based on a cultural similarity
2. the mountains west of bavaria are a beautifully set provincial border, we should make use of them
3. the capitol should have a province, where it will be both national and provincial capitol, that streamlines administration tremendously through intelligent centralization
d. placing bavaria at the edge of the province to spread the low-corruption wealth is, i think, a good way of maximizing its advantages
just my viewpoint to encourage discussion.
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
An independent Capital ditrict.... Intriguing.... I would be a interesting concept.
We could call it like the Mexicans do.... Federal District of Bavaria.
We could call it like the Mexicans do.... Federal District of Bavaria.
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Bavaria DB would sound better to me
Anyways, the BDB could be governed by the domestic deputy, which will solve unpopularity problems.
@ct:
greater cormyr was split because the existing governor left the job. not because it was so big. we soon regretted that, and started to enlarge our provinces.
Anyways, the BDB could be governed by the domestic deputy, which will solve unpopularity problems.
@ct:
greater cormyr was split because the existing governor left the job. not because it was so big. we soon regretted that, and started to enlarge our provinces.
Shaitan
der Besucher
I move that we vote on provinces now. Two choices. Disorganizer's original plan and the capital city province with disorganizer's division for the first 3 non-capital provinces.
donsig
Low level intermediary
I think it's too early to set the borders to the south. There are still too many unknowns in that direction. We should never, ever vote to accept borders drawn in the unknown void! There is also that one tile you pointed out Shaitan that should be in Bohemia. Rather than vote on disorganizer's complete proposal wouldn't it be better to vote on the borders for Bohemia itself? Governor of Bohemia or the Domestic Leader will be setting build queues for new cities.
Shaitan
der Besucher
I'm fine with starting there. I suggest a poll then to approve the capital city province at a "perfect" 21 tiles. Future provinces to be defined as we see territory. New cities will be governed by the Dom Leader until the provinces are mapped out.
