How do we define our provinces?

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

zarn- im on it, but first lemme install windows.
also- its in the cartographic office, right?

 

[neutral leader]

i think an occupation government is a beautifully nefarious scheme. my only concern is, will we have enough people to fill all the newly created offices?

 

[Grandmaster]

Well, the way I'm envisioning it, all that we would have would be a President and a National Council made up of the mayor of each city. Basically, lets say the Aztecs have 4 cities that we capture. We take them over, and choose one of those cities as the Capital (say Teotoloco.... can't type Aztec cities....) The President would "rule" the occupied country, but would follow all the orders of the Fanatikan President. Then, every other city would get a mayor, and together they would make "decisions" which would be approved or vetoed by the Fanatikan President. Would only therefore take 4 extra people to run the occupation govnernment. Also, sorry, as I know this is somewhat off topic. If I get enough support for this, I will post a seperate thread as we approach the Aztec War.

 

[SKILORD]

Originally posted by donsig
I'm in favor of static provinces as that will allow each to develope their own identity and history. Shuffling cities from province to province will only give us schizofrenic provinces and governors.

I do think we need more governors/senators though. (Because I need a job. ) I'm leaning towards variant A if we can manage to make three or four provinces around the capital city that would be fairly equal production/corruption-wise.

I agree with thius, Greater Cormyr, when it re-establishes provincehoood, will not be a moving province.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

heres my latest provincial attempt.
opinions, please?

 

[Grandmaster]

SaaM, I'm liking this latest proposal. The only thing I disagree with is dividing the Aztecs into two provinces. I'm assuming that half-uncovered city on the map is Aztec, and I would suggest that at least initially we keep the Aztecs as one province.

 

[SKILORD]

Originally posted by Grandmaster
SaaM, I'm liking this latest proposal. The only thing I disagree with is dividing the Aztecs into two provinces. I'm assuming that hald-uncovered city on the map is Aztec, and I would suggest that at least initially we keep the Aztecs as one province.

Have we conqured the Aztecs? I think not, My paper calls for us to but we haven't yet so don't count your chickens before they hatch.

 

[Grandmaster]

I'm only commenting on the proposal as is. SaaM has so graciously divided up nearly all the land around us, including Azteca, and I'm just saying that we should remove that line down the middle of the Aztec territory. If we don't conquer them, it won't matter, but it seems like we're going. The idea has a lot of support, and President Eklektikos and CivGeneral seem pretty determined to make it work.

 

[disorganizer]

Saam: i kind of like your proposal, just i dont like the provinces being too small.
so i would not split the aztec territory and the lower valey in half. also, i would not make bohemia too small of a province.

your proposal as put up will render us with 5 cities each province. this may be too few imho.
if we notice we need bigger provinces later cause we dont get enough cities, we can split them up at any time.

i will maybe come up with another proposal soon. stay tuned.

 

[disorganizer]

Now here is my approach:
3 medium sized provinces, where all 3 profit from bavaria.

all 3 also have potential to be splitted in half later in the game if needed.

all 3 seem to have potential for 10-12 cities.

as said, we could also split those, but i would like the idea of having at least 3 provinces profit from bavaria to be continued.

EDIT:
the borders still need to be worked out a bit more in detail though, but i dont have time to do it. so take this as a rough draft and if anyone wants to refine it, please do so.

EDIT2:
i still would support bavaria being a province of its own, and together whith this proposal this would lead to 4 provinces in benefit of the capitol. bavaria DB (district of bohemia) ;-)
someone should setup a info poll on whether or not to put bavaria into its own province.

EDIT3:
i will put up the informational poll on bavaria DB now.

 

[disorganizer]

Info poll on Bavaria DB:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33940

 

[FortyJ]

Please consider the following map for the Provincial borders. Of course, some borders near the edge of the known map may have to be updated once we learn more about the terrain.

Border Proposal 1 - Strictly Geographical Borders (246kB)

 

[FortyJ]

Please consider the following map for the Provincial borders. Of course, some borders near the edge of the known map may have to be updated once we learn more about the terrain.

Border Proposal 2 - Capitol Province (244kB)

 

[disorganizer]

If we leave out the borders on the edged of the provinces (open norhtern border of bohemia for example) i would like that one best.
we only need to define the borders near our civ at the momen imho.

 

[FortyJ]

Originally posted by disorganizer
If we leave out the borders on the edged of the provinces (open norhtern border of bohemia for example) i would like that one best.
we only need to define the borders near our civ at the momen imho.

Which one?

I think both proposals should be put to a poll with the proviso that the exterior borders may be modified slightly to fit the terrain. Either way, it's time to settle this issue and move forward.

 

[Octavian X]

Also, please note that provinces are named by their first governors. Until then, label all provinces without names with numbers.

 

[FortyJ]

The maps are unofficial and the names I used were solely for internal purposes and to assist everyone with discussions, suggestions, etc...

No offense was intended and I certainly did not want to usurp any naming rights. I regret any confusion that may have resulted.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

I like 40j Proposal Number One.
Also- regarding SAAM #2, i divided up azteca because i thought we were going to expand first, attack later. Since were on the war path, P4 and P3 would end up as one.
Also- may i suggest that all newly conqured lands be declared a province until further notice?

 

[disorganizer]

all conquered cities are a province until new borders are defined and if there are more than 3 of them ;-)
see rules

thats why we have to define borders before we expand.

 

[Shaitan]

Wasn't there already a poll for which border plan to use?