How do you obtain your music?

[Desmond Hawkins]

I admited I thought of the idea of doing it, and all of this was in a joking manner, before I realized this was a serious thread. I listen to about 3 cds I own, and have on my computer. I don't burn them, so don't single me out.

40 licks is an awesome compilation

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Another excellent source of music is a massive old record collection in mint condition. They can be converted to mp3s. I have found many old artists you can't even find in stores these days that way.

 

[h4ppy]

I tohught you included downloading in their somewhere.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

When napster was up a few years back, but when they closed that down, I never bothered anymore, and I tell you, it feels better to listen to music legally.

 

[h4ppy]

I was talking to systenron.

 

[WillJ]

Originally posted by cgannon64
I see no difference between people taping the radio, which was a common and legal practice when tapes were popular (and when radio wasn't horrible) and downloading music.

Taping the radio and distributing copies is legal?

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

I believe distributing copies is illegal, especially if you receive payment for them.

Although a family member taping an interesting radio-talk segment, then giving a person a copy for them to listen to, I doubt to be illegal.

 

[cgannon64]

Originally posted by WillJ
Taping the radio and distributing copies is legal?

If you sell them I think it is, but if you keep a copy for yourself or make copies for friends, then it is not illegal.

Just like, IIRC, downloading music isn't illegal - uploading it is.

EDIT: It may actually be illegal to tape the radio, but there was nothing they could do about it, and I don't think they really cared (if they did they would've tried to stop the popularity of casettes, just like they're trying to stop filesharing now).

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Originally posted by cgannon64
If you sell them I think it is, but if you keep a copy for yourself or make copies for friends, then it is not illegal.

Just like, IIRC, downloading music isn't illegal - uploading it is.

EDIT: It may actually be illegal to tape the radio, but there was nothing they could do about it, and I don't think they really cared (if they did they would've tried to stop the popularity of casettes, just like they're trying to stop filesharing now).

In Canada, uploading has been recently deemed legal, but who knows how long that will last, as the Music industry has deep pockets, and can influence the law. A just society hey

 

[WillJ]

Originally posted by cgannon64
If you sell them I think it is, but if you keep a copy for yourself or make copies for friends, then it is not illegal.

If that's true, it makes no sense whatsoever. After all, making copies of, say, video games and giving them to people (even for free) is illegal. Then again, Florida has a law against tieing alligators to firehydrants, so I suppose maybe I shouldn't put so much faith into the rationality of the legal system.

Originally posted by cgannon64
Just like, IIRC, downloading music isn't illegal - uploading it is.

I'm 99% sure that's untrue. Remember that 12-year-old getting sued and having to pay thousands of dollars because she (or he, can't remember) downloaded hundreds of songs?

Originally posted by cgannon64
EDIT: It may actually be illegal to tape the radio, but there was nothing they could do about it, and I don't think they really cared (if they did they would've tried to stop the popularity of casettes, just like they're trying to stop filesharing now).

Nonsense, they could have easily created minituare police robots to monitor our cars for illegal radio taping.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Originally posted by WillJ
Remember that 12-year-old getting sued and having to pay thousands of dollars because she (or he, can't remember) downloaded hundreds of songs?

That was more media spin. The girl did download hundreds of songs, but she got sued, because she made them available to the public (uploading). They say things like, "I am one of the kids that got in trouble for downloading songs from the internet", when the trouble was that the downloading subsequently led to her uploading them back onto the internet.

Although I wouldn't count out suing for downloading in the future as well.

 

[WillJ]

Originally posted by Sobieski II
That was more media spin. The girl did download hundreds of songs, but she got sued, because she made them available to the public (uploading). They say things like, "I am one of the kids that got in trouble for downloading songs from the internet", when the trouble was that the downloading subsequently led to her uploading them back onto the internet.

Point taken, but if downloading music is legal, then why in the world would that iPod or whatever (and similar things) brag about being legal, not to mention people paying for the songs through it when they could legally get them for free?

 

[cgannon64]

Originally posted by WillJ
If that's true, it makes no sense whatsoever. After all, making copies of, say, video games and giving them to people (even for free) is illegal. Then again, Florida has a law against tieing alligators to firehydrants, so I suppose maybe I shouldn't put so much faith into the rationality of the legal system.

Well video games are different. You must pay for a video game. There is no legal way for you to get it for free, like radio is for music.

I'm 99% sure that's untrue. Remember that 12-year-old getting sued and having to pay thousands of dollars because she (or he, can't remember) downloaded hundreds of songs?

Technicaly her crime was uploading not downloading - of course, they want you to stop downloading, so they spun it and wrote articles as if the crime was downloading.

Point taken, but if downloading music is legal, then why in the world would that iPod or whatever (and similar things) brag about being legal, not to mention people paying for the songs through it when they could legally get them for free?

Because their entire business banks on you saying "Oh, well I'm going to pay for this rather than get it for free because I don't want to get arrested"!

They're NEED to spin to get customers, because if they didn't, no one would pay for somethign when you can get it for free.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Originally posted by WillJ
Point taken, but if downloading music is legal, then why in the world would that iPod or whatever (and similar things) brag about being legal, not to mention people paying for the songs through it when they could legally get them for free?

Because the legal matters have not all been sorted out yet. Thus at one moment it might be tenuously legal, but in another month it could flip the other way. iPod promises that you will stay legal.

 

[WillJ]

Originally posted by cgannon64
Well video games are different. You must pay for a video game. There is no legal way for you to get it for free, like radio is for music.

You can download them, which according to you is legal (with music, anyways, and I don't see why music and video games should be any different).

Originally posted by cgannon64
Because their entire business banks on you saying "Oh, well I'm going to pay for this rather than get it for free because I don't want to get arrested"!

They're NEED to spin to get customers, because if they didn't, no one would pay for somethign when you can get it for free.

I'm still skeptical that downloading copyrighted music is legal. Perhaps one of us should look for a source.

 

[MummyMan]

what is launch.com? Is it basically radio singles on the internet? The non-satellite radio is terrible, which is why i'm asking.
On topic, i get my music from CDs, but i'll often download entire CDs off Kazaa as well, or download a few of the songs and then buy the CD. Unfortunately my computer with all my music is connected via a wireless network that never lets me access my shared files on the other computer in my house that has a cd burner. Thus i've been buying more CDs. Plus i got a job so i actually have money to spend on CDs.

 

[WillJ]

Originally posted by Sobieski II
Because the legal matters have not all been sorted out yet. Thus at one moment it might be tenuously legal, but in another month it could flip the other way. iPod promises that you will stay legal.

Hmm, good point. Though I still would like something saying that downloading music is currently legal (in countries besides Canada). I'll look myself in a minute.

 

[cgannon64]

Originally posted by WillJ
You can download them, which according to you is legal (with music, anyways, and I don't see why music and video games should be any different).

But downloading them has never been legal and never will be. My point is that downloading music is to the radio, which is legal. Downloading video games is to...?

 

[WillJ]

Originally posted by MummyMan
what is launch.com? Is it basically radio singles on the internet? The non-satellite radio is terrible, which is why i'm asking.

How about you click and find out. Nope, it's not radio; it's a site where you can watch music videos. Basically an online version of MTV/vH1/BET, etc., except better since you can decide what to watch.

Originally posted by cgannon64
But downloading them has never been legal and never will be. My point is that downloading music is to the radio, which is legal. Downloading video games is to...?

But downloading music is NOT similar to the radio. If you listen to the radio, you hear advertisements; that's how they make money.

Edit: Wait, I just realized that radio stations can play whatever they want (as long as they have the CD); the artists don't get any money from it, just the radio station does. Damn, let me rethink my argument.

Edit2: Let me rephrase that edit. Radio stations can't play whatever they want (they have to get permission), but nonetheless the artists don't get money from advertisements (they don't get any money at all; just the hope that people will listen and want to buy their music).

 

[cgannon64]

Originally posted by WillJ
But downloading music is NOT similar to the radio. If you listen to the radio, you hear advertisements; that's how they make money.

Tell me how often you listen to ads. (Not a legal argument, just making a point.)

The answer seems obvious to me: Make a p2p program paid for with banners, and get the artists permission.