How much damage could you do in ancient times with a modern weapon?

Lets think that a GREEK platoon of 40 tanks that get transported just right outside Constantinople in 1453.....

They would stand in a distance and begin shelling the Turks, panic would begin as division after division of Janissaries and Sipahis die and catch on fire. The soldiers would begin to rout and run away and a massive and uncoorodinated evacuation would proceed and people would get crushed fighting to get the hell out of there. Then the Greek and Latin defenders stare in total confused joy.

afterwards, Emperor Constantine XI declares the future Greeks angels, and, using them, beat the crap out of Mehmet II, destroys the Ottomans, reclaims the Roman Empire, and the "Eastern Romans" fight with the Persians, Mughals, and Ming Dynasty for control of the entire world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

okay, well, the original topic was only if one guy went back. if one tank went back to the Seige of Constantinople... ack, depends on the skill of the driver and how brave those janissaries are and how smart Mehmet really was.
 
afterwards, Emperor Constantine XI declares the future Greeks angels, and, using them, beat the crap out of Mehmet II, destroys the Ottomans, reclaims the Roman Empire, and the "Eastern Romans" fight with the Persians, Mughals, and Ming Dynasty for control of the entire world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

okay, well, the original topic was only if one guy went back. if one tank went back to the Seige of Constantinople... ack, depends on the skill of the driver and how brave those janissaries are and how smart Mehmet really was.

Well first of all you need about 4-5 guys to man a tank. And it somebody has access to a tank, they will probaly know how to use it. Now if one tank was there, it would probaly cost enough damage to make Memhet lose.

We have a tank fully equip with shells and bombs and whatever. What do the turks have? Really Primitive Cannons, swords, axes, arrows and Horses.

Arrows would dent hitting the metal, the soldiers would be too afraid to attack it. Even if they did, how much can a sword do damage to a tank before they get ran over by it? Heck, just driving a tank or an armoured truck through the army is enough to cause the entire army to run away in fear of the "metal monster that deflects everything." The only think strong enough to cost any damage are the cannons and that is if the tank stays stationary long enough for the cannon to blow it up. So one tank in 1453 for 12hrs means thousands of dead turks.
 
It would ruin causality, tanks would never be invented, so they could never have been sent back and so nothing would have changed because time travel is impossible :D

The best modern weapon would be a biological agent. Ideally one that spreads between people for a long period of time before striking and killing its victims. If chosen well, the death toll could be massive and continuous taking out much human life and stopping the destruction of the environment :D
 
Let's assume that 106 soldiers and 62 horsemen, we can call them Spaniards, got transported to Peru in 1532, they would totally destroyed an 80,000 people civilization.

Wait a minute... I think that already happened.:rolleyes:
 
Is that a civilization or a small town?
 
I'd pretend to be a God, wipe out their next door neighbor and live a life of debauchery.

Hot women and the occasional ass kicking over the border, where do I sign?
 
You realize that you can be surrounded, and if you're in a defensable position, they'll just leave you, and whenever you have to leave you're little place, they'll get ya! Of course modern weapons pwn ancient armies, the point is, they didnt have those weapons back then, and we can't go back in time! Nukes, however, may be different, assuming you can launch them.
 
Come to think of, there's already a movie based around this concept, G.I.Samurai. It's about a unit of the Japanese SDF who get transported back to the Sengoku Jidai period who get trapped in the 1500s (for some reason) and fight Takeda Shingen. They get their asses kicked...

Technically, the terminator series is like that... lone warrior sent back into time, with an advantage over those already there....

Any way, Imagine you were sent back to the early egyptian empire, with nothing... what would you be able to invent that would help the poeple out and have you praised as a god? keep in mind that this has to be stuff you can invent. (so no cars, unless you happen to know how to build one, as well as refine the materials and resources...)
 
I'de try to convince them I was a God, and pull the whole Goa'uld thing:)
 
If you are really into this thing:

Assuming you can bring all the present day necessary weapons to the past (nukes, biological weapons, tanks, aircrafts, computers, and other stuffs), you can as well become a god. Obviously you dont confront people at first and you send out biological weapons to the masses. Maybe wait a month, you then disguise yourself as a saint and can "cure" the people with the infected diseases and people will support you. Then you spread more diseases out for many times and each time you spread rumors that this is a sign of bad leadership. You cure the people again and again of different diseases and then claim to be the divine ruler appointed by the god. The people would mostly support you, but eventually the real ruler and his army will hunt you down. You run away and hide while spread more diseases and rumors. Wait like a year (hey you can speed up the time machine eh?) and come back and claim the throne. Drop a nuke in a distance place to stir up superstitions. You should be able to recruit/bribe people easily. You should have an army now and you again spread diseases to the enemy army only, while providing vaccines to your own. Be lenient and allow enemy defections and heal them and you should win and control the people's hearts in no time (speed up the time machine if not fast enough.)

For people who claim that you cant fight against good generals, well, assasinate them first yourself. And to ward off against assasinations, install secret cameras every place in your residence/or have loyal bodyguards. To fight against poison, simply be cautious yourself (you can pretty much avoid poison from ingestion, gas mask at emergency, etc).

Yes, you can change the past and live like a god if you try (for this hypothetical scenario).
 
You'd have close to zero military impact, but if you were clever you could have massive political impact, just as the Spanish did in Peru. But all of that would depend on being able to attach yourself to an existing power. You couldn't do anything alone.
 
Again, never underestimate our ancestors. They built our world, after all. :)
 
if you want another fictionalized version of it try the Island in the Sea of Time series. not judging it's merit here, just throwing another name into the hat.
 
well even if you d have a machine gun in an open field they could always usew a barrage of catapults
 
If you are really into this thing:

Assuming you can bring all the present day necessary weapons to the past (nukes, biological weapons, tanks, aircrafts, computers, and other stuffs), you can as well become a god. Obviously you dont confront people at first and you send out biological weapons to the masses. Maybe wait a month, you then disguise yourself as a saint and can "cure" the people with the infected diseases and people will support you. Then you spread more diseases out for many times and each time you spread rumors that this is a sign of bad leadership. You cure the people again and again of different diseases and then claim to be the divine ruler appointed by the god. The people would mostly support you, but eventually the real ruler and his army will hunt you down. You run away and hide while spread more diseases and rumors. Wait like a year (hey you can speed up the time machine eh?) and come back and claim the throne. Drop a nuke in a distance place to stir up superstitions. You should be able to recruit/bribe people easily. You should have an army now and you again spread diseases to the enemy army only, while providing vaccines to your own. Be lenient and allow enemy defections and heal them and you should win and control the people's hearts in no time (speed up the time machine if not fast enough.)

For people who claim that you cant fight against good generals, well, assasinate them first yourself. And to ward off against assasinations, install secret cameras every place in your residence/or have loyal bodyguards. To fight against poison, simply be cautious yourself (you can pretty much avoid poison from ingestion, gas mask at emergency, etc).

Yes, you can change the past and live like a god if you try (for this hypothetical scenario).
But really interesting stuff would occur when you, as presumed godhead, came up against the social expectations on you from your subjects.

Either you fight these, which is akin to turning a supertanker, only worse, since it's an entire society you're up against and the inertia is tremendous. Or you accept the way of least resistance and then it is you who end up behaving as they expect you should. Everyone involved will be changed by the experience of course, but you the modern individual is a gonner, even if you rely on modern technology.

The whole "Go back in time and be recognised as a god due to scientific/technological superiority" is actually the exact same pipe-dream as the 19th c. "Negro-king" fantasy, i.e. find some backward savages and set yourself up as king/god.

And this never happened. The "savages" always turned out to be a damn sight to "modern" and clever to fall for stuff like that. And their technology was usually a damn sight lower than that of the Romans, Greeks etc.

Those historical exceptions there — when a westerner WAS recognised as the leader of a native religious movement, considered to be imbued with divine power and all, they either didn't know or didn't quite realise what was going on and kept trying to convert his followers to Christianity. Which was to be expected. In order to be recognised as divine by a society, you have to fulfill their expectations of what that means, not your own.

Someone who was regarded as divine, but didn't know, would seem to have been Captain Cook. If Marshall Sahlins is correct, he paid with his life for not knowing the prescribed annual cycle of comings and goings the godhead he was identified with. Since he didn't keep to the time-table, he was obvioulsy "false", so the Hawaians killed him.

The one who never really got it was the Spanish conquistador Cabeza de Vacca, who in the 1540's escaped slavery in the North American southeast, and became the leader of a religious revival among the natives along the northen shores of the Gulf of Mexico.
He tried to convert his followers to Christianity. They listened politely to this weird man at the centre of their new religion, and then made him heal them all the livealong day. In his account of the experience he specifically mentions how fatiguing his duties as a healer was. He was a very good observer, but as modern anthropologists have concluded, while he was capable of describing his situation, he had no clue as to what kind of situation he was the centre of attention of. (Or possibly he simply couldn't admit any of it to his Christian readership back in Spain. But he does come across as utterly clueless.)
 
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