How powerful is Satan?

[frob2900]

I said this after you posted a reply which consisted of like 15 youtube links. Figure it out.
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And I think its funny as hell that you continue to deny it. You have started more Bill O threads and made more Bill O comments than anyone here. Heck, the guy is still in your sig.
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Of course they did.

What where you debating where someones usage of Youtube is relevant?

Do you watch Bill O'Reilly, MobBoss?

Come on. Me stating the obvious about you isnt quite the same as someone purposely being obtuse when I say 'please' as a reply. My observations of your obsessions and youtube use were actually accurate and not 'obtuse' at all and indeed pertained to what you had posted. King of hypocrites? Hardly.

/sheesh

 

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[Phlegmak]

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[Pokurcz]

I never claimed otherwise. Everyone is a sinner.

Sin only has one originator.

Well if everyone is a sinner, including you, and all sins originate from Satan, then you must be under the influence of Satan.

Hence Satan is powerfull enough to influence Everyone, including you.

 

[MobBoss]

Well if everyone is a sinner, including you, and all sins originate from Satan, then you must be under the influence of Satan.

Hence Satan is powerfull enough to influence Everyone, including you.

Everyone is influenced by him to some degree....I dont think I ever denied this....however, there is a way to not be influenced by him, which is by being righteous in your faith. The point is I dont wallow in my sin, thus I deny Satan his continued influence over me via repentance and turning to God. The passage does say 'resist the devil and he shall flee'...unfortunately, we fail to resist him effectively 24/7...which is something we all have to deal with.

 

[warpus]

It's kind of interesting & amusing to see the metaphorical manifest itself in such a strange way.

 

[MayNilad Man]

Because it includes the idea that newborn children are somehow sinners, or at least "steeped in sin". That's just stupid.

I believe that the doctrine refers to the capacity to sin of the newborn. Not that they have sinned.

 

[Phlegmak]

I believe that the doctrine refers to the capacity to sin of the newborn. Not that they have sinned.

No, it means the newborn already has sin.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

No, it means the newborn already has sin.

It may mean one or the other - different people will interpret it differently.

 

[Phlegmak]

It may mean one or the other - different people will interpret it differently.

The extreme subjectivity of Christianity makes me wonder how much of it is actually common among the adherents.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Well, I and my denomination don't believe in Original Sin. But I think "diversity" would be a better word than "subjectivity" - and what is absolutely essential to Christianity is a good debate. Maybe not for this thread though.

 

[Phlegmak]

Well, I and my denomination don't believe in Original Sin. But I think "diversity" would be a better word than "subjectivity" - and what is absolutely essential to Christianity is a good debate. Maybe not for this thread though.

Do all Christian sects even revere Jesus as the savior of humanity?

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Do all Christian sects even revere Jesus as the savior of humanity?

That's debatable; I for one would say that by definition they do as that is what makes one a Christian. However, there may be sects that self-identify as Christian but don't see Jesus as the savior.

 

[MobBoss]

Do all Christian sects even revere Jesus as the savior of humanity?

'All' is a pretty big word. I would say the vast majority believe in his divinity and that he is the Son of God....personally I would say that is a critical part of christian belief and that the vast majority of Christians belief in that.

 

[frob2900]

I believe that the doctrine refers to the capacity to sin of the newborn. Not that they have sinned.

You're wrong. It means that newborns have sin in them. That's why they don't go to heaven. It's a terrible concept.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

You're wrong. It means that newborns have sin in them. That's why they don't go to heaven. It's a terrible concept.

He's not wrong, in that different people use the term to refer to different things.

 

[frob2900]

He's not wrong, in that different people use the term to refer to different things.

So christianity is whatever you want it to be? Fine, then I'm a christian and you're not.

The Western tradition, both Catholic and Protestant, concerning original sin is largely based on writings by Augustine of Hippo, who famously concluded that unbaptized infants go to hel

Is this correct?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I heard that they go to Limbo. I don't see how splashing them with a bit of water helps much, however.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

So christianity is whatever you want it to be? Fine, then I'm a christian and you're not.

You would hardly be the first to say I'm not Christian.

Is this correct?

It is true that some people believe that; others don't. No one is required to say that unbaptized children go to Hell in order to call themselves Christian.

 

[frob2900]

It is true that some people believe that; others don't. No one is required to say that unbaptized children go to Hell in order to call themselves Christian.

Yes they are. Otherwise theyre just mucking around with the theology to suit their own ends.