Magma_Dragoon
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I don't see how the US could be above Britain. Britain has alot more historicals in which to be significant, and its historicals led to USA's existence.
How would you order the Civ 5 civilizations in their historical importance order?
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Sid Simelia
Warlord
That's true - for instance they have a totally different language; and although some words almost look like English they have a completely different meaning!
Happy Christmas to my cousins across the pond!
That's totally what I mean! Don't get me wrong though, I've always loved British people. Merry Xmas to my brothers and sisters overseas
Sid Simelia
Warlord
Everyone seems to agree with Atilla being dead last, but had he survived the Mongolian rise could have came 1000 years earlier and perhaps conquered the eastern world. That didn't happen, but I think if you rank the Mongols higher you should rank the Huns higher.
To some extent, I think people see both of these barbaric Civs as savage people, but if the question is historic importance, they should both should be higher. If nothing else because of their awesome numbers and fighting ability. Who they killed and who they spawned surely changed the fate of the eastern world.
I think you mean Ogedei died then. Temujin died years ealier. After Ogedei there was no clear successor to the throne, so the leadership retreated to bicker, Hungary became more westernized, and by the time Mongol decisions were made to "go back", the lands they'd conquered were too difficult to govern with resistance from eastern European irregulars and they said "screw it".
seanflokstra7
Prince
You had me checking through every civ until I realized you had Poland and Morocco both as 35.
Thank you, edited the post
therottweiler
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If you count Turkey as the Byzantine Empire they need to be ranked higher.
seanflokstra7
Prince
Turkish people can't complain about their country not being in the game, both Byzantium as The Ottoman Empire were Turkish
Truly, Anatolia was the first "great melting pot", beginning earlier than that with Hattians, Hittites, Mycenaeans (Pelasgians?), and whatever Semitic-speaking ethnicities were migrating north (Amoritic? Aramaic?). So it was indo-european (what would become Germanic, Celt), "Greek", and "Arabic" before or certainly "by" 1800bc.
budweiser
King of the Beers
I think Egypt was because when the Sahara dried up, people flocked to the Nile.
lokithepunishr
Warlord
I guess I was wrong.
Working at a university with about 30% of ancient civilization books being about Egypt I thought more people would think they would qualify as #1.
I'll just hang my head in shame (well not too much shame [but still a lot], Greece/Rome have a lot of influence as well, more so in the Western world where I guess most of you are from)
Working at a university with about 30% of ancient civilization books being about Egypt I thought more people would think they would qualify as #1.
I'll just hang my head in shame (well not too much shame [but still a lot], Greece/Rome have a lot of influence as well, more so in the Western world where I guess most of you are from)
1.-5. Babylon/Assyria/Greece/Egypt/Persia - The world's first major civilizations represented in-game. Together, they pretty much invented civilization, so you can rank them in just about any order.
6. China - What Babylon, Assyria, Greece, Persia and Egypt didn't invent, the Chinese did.
7. Rome - Important not so much for their development of new technologies or ideals but their spread of existing ones throughout Europe.
8. Arabia - Began the spread of Islam throughout the Old World while keeping a substantial amount of learning and knowledge alive in the Mediterranean region (during a time period while most other countries around there were living in their own filth.)
9. Mongolia - They conquered China, Arabia, and a lot of Europe. Need I say more?
10. England - Their empire spread their culture and influence across the globe.
11. Spain - Like with England, their massive colonial empire has greatly shaped the modern world.
12. The Ottomans - For a while they pretty much ran the Mediterranean, and the Middle East, and the Balkans.
13. USA - Modern-era superpower.
14. Portugal - Again, their colonial holdings have affected the modern world.
15. The Netherlands - Another colonial superpower, another major role in shaping the present-day globe.
16. Germany - Another modern-day superpower.
17. France - Though somewhat less important than other colonial powers, they've greatly influenced European politics from the Medieval era on.
18. Byzantium - Their major advances in architecture are amazing, as is their preservation of ancient Roman knowledge.
19. Russia - Important player on the Eastern European/Asian political scene
20. Venice - One of the major late-Medieval/early-Renaissance trading powers.
21. India - Spawned two major religions and was a hotbed of culture, wealth, and knowledge.
22. Japan - Important Asian power.
23. Austria - Kept the HRE together until Napoleon dismantled it.
24. Poland - Major power in Eastern Europe, and, together with Hungary, pretty much stopped the Ottomans from advancing farther in Europe.
25. Denmark - The Vikings are of vast importance in European (and North American...) history.
26. Carthage - Important, but not as important as Rome.
27. Iroquois - Further developed the governmental system of representative democracy, and held out against Europeans through trade and conquest for a very long time.
28. Sweden - Major Baltic power (and also invented Dynamite, IKEA, and Minecraft. And a functional economic system.)
29. Ethiopia - Kept Christianity alive in Africa, held out against European invaders during the Scramble for Africa, and helped to set up the UN.
30. The Inca - Amazing engineers, even without the wheel.
31. Korea - Science Rules!
32. Brazil - Major South American superpower.
33. The Maya - Thanks to the Chinese, were a major power in Central America.
34. Aztecs - Central American power until they all got killed.
35. Siam - Didn't do much.
36. The Huns - They sort of brought down Rome. Otherwise? Not much.
37. The Celts - Meh. Not as important as many other nations.
38. Indonesia - Important nation, but still kinda meh.
39. Zulu - In all honesty, The Netherlands and Britain have played a larger role in South Africa than the Zulu ever did.
40. Morocco - The Moors should be in here, not Medieval-era Morocco.
41. Songhai - Important empire in West Africa, but other empires (the Mali, for example) would be a better fit.
42. Polynesia - Never existed as such.
43. Shoshone - Yes, important western North American native group, but there are others that played a larger role.
6. China - What Babylon, Assyria, Greece, Persia and Egypt didn't invent, the Chinese did.
7. Rome - Important not so much for their development of new technologies or ideals but their spread of existing ones throughout Europe.
8. Arabia - Began the spread of Islam throughout the Old World while keeping a substantial amount of learning and knowledge alive in the Mediterranean region (during a time period while most other countries around there were living in their own filth.)
9. Mongolia - They conquered China, Arabia, and a lot of Europe. Need I say more?
10. England - Their empire spread their culture and influence across the globe.
11. Spain - Like with England, their massive colonial empire has greatly shaped the modern world.
12. The Ottomans - For a while they pretty much ran the Mediterranean, and the Middle East, and the Balkans.
13. USA - Modern-era superpower.
14. Portugal - Again, their colonial holdings have affected the modern world.
15. The Netherlands - Another colonial superpower, another major role in shaping the present-day globe.
16. Germany - Another modern-day superpower.
17. France - Though somewhat less important than other colonial powers, they've greatly influenced European politics from the Medieval era on.
18. Byzantium - Their major advances in architecture are amazing, as is their preservation of ancient Roman knowledge.
19. Russia - Important player on the Eastern European/Asian political scene
20. Venice - One of the major late-Medieval/early-Renaissance trading powers.
21. India - Spawned two major religions and was a hotbed of culture, wealth, and knowledge.
22. Japan - Important Asian power.
23. Austria - Kept the HRE together until Napoleon dismantled it.
24. Poland - Major power in Eastern Europe, and, together with Hungary, pretty much stopped the Ottomans from advancing farther in Europe.
25. Denmark - The Vikings are of vast importance in European (and North American...) history.
26. Carthage - Important, but not as important as Rome.
27. Iroquois - Further developed the governmental system of representative democracy, and held out against Europeans through trade and conquest for a very long time.
28. Sweden - Major Baltic power (and also invented Dynamite, IKEA, and Minecraft. And a functional economic system.)
29. Ethiopia - Kept Christianity alive in Africa, held out against European invaders during the Scramble for Africa, and helped to set up the UN.
30. The Inca - Amazing engineers, even without the wheel.
31. Korea - Science Rules!
32. Brazil - Major South American superpower.
33. The Maya - Thanks to the Chinese, were a major power in Central America.
34. Aztecs - Central American power until they all got killed.
35. Siam - Didn't do much.
36. The Huns - They sort of brought down Rome. Otherwise? Not much.
37. The Celts - Meh. Not as important as many other nations.
38. Indonesia - Important nation, but still kinda meh.
39. Zulu - In all honesty, The Netherlands and Britain have played a larger role in South Africa than the Zulu ever did.
40. Morocco - The Moors should be in here, not Medieval-era Morocco.
41. Songhai - Important empire in West Africa, but other empires (the Mali, for example) would be a better fit.
42. Polynesia - Never existed as such.
43. Shoshone - Yes, important western North American native group, but there are others that played a larger role.
Bulldog Bats
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Tough to have a fair an objection opinion, as it is impossible to eliminate bias in most people. Also, I think you need some modifiers.
1. As some people have debated, the US is $1 for the last century, but only been around 200+ years. On the other side is Greece/Rome, and other European civs - incredibly important going back, but influence waning, and not a leader today.
2. Also, the sphere of influence is different - some worldwide, others have been more isolationist by design, which can't be ignored.
1. As some people have debated, the US is $1 for the last century, but only been around 200+ years. On the other side is Greece/Rome, and other European civs - incredibly important going back, but influence waning, and not a leader today.
2. Also, the sphere of influence is different - some worldwide, others have been more isolationist by design, which can't be ignored.
Teproc
King
Ok, so I did this without thinking too much, will compare with others lists, seems like an interesting exercise :
1) Greece
2) Rome
3) India
4) China
5) Egypt
6) Arabia
7) England
8) France
9) Spain
10) Babylone
11) Persia
12) America
13) The Inca
14) Portugal
15) Byzantium
16) The Maya
17) Russia
18) Siam
19) The Celts
20) Denmark (taken as "The Vikings", otherwise would be lower)
21) Japan
22) The Ottomans
23) Germany
24) The Netherlands
25) Assyria
26) Venice
27) Carthage
28) The Mongols
29) Sweden
30) The Iroquois
31) Songhai
32) Austria
33) Korea
34) The Aztecs
35) Indonesia
36) Morocco
37) The Huns
38) Poland
39) Brazil
40) Ethiophia
41) Polynesia
42) The Shoshone
43) The Zulus
1) Greece
2) Rome
3) India
4) China
5) Egypt
6) Arabia
7) England
8) France
9) Spain
10) Babylone
11) Persia
12) America
13) The Inca
14) Portugal
15) Byzantium
16) The Maya
17) Russia
18) Siam
19) The Celts
20) Denmark (taken as "The Vikings", otherwise would be lower)
21) Japan
22) The Ottomans
23) Germany
24) The Netherlands
25) Assyria
26) Venice
27) Carthage
28) The Mongols
29) Sweden
30) The Iroquois
31) Songhai
32) Austria
33) Korea
34) The Aztecs
35) Indonesia
36) Morocco
37) The Huns
38) Poland
39) Brazil
40) Ethiophia
41) Polynesia
42) The Shoshone
43) The Zulus
Wodan
Deity
The whole point of Civ is "what if" / alternate history. So this whole poll seems to be missing the point.
How about, "Rank the Civs on their ability to have the greatest historical impact, based on their UA/UU/UB"
How about, "Rank the Civs on their ability to have the greatest historical impact, based on their UA/UU/UB"
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
Some of the comments here are kind of offensive.
Korea as the <snip> of China and Japan is horribly inaccurate. Korea actually influenced Japan during its early days. China never conquered Korea, perhaps had it as a vassal, but not outright conquered it. Japan only managed to rule Korea relatively recently and not for long. Gangnam style is not the only thing Korea contributed to history. Just saying, and I'm not Korean.
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Korea as the <snip> of China and Japan is horribly inaccurate. Korea actually influenced Japan during its early days. China never conquered Korea, perhaps had it as a vassal, but not outright conquered it. Japan only managed to rule Korea relatively recently and not for long. Gangnam style is not the only thing Korea contributed to history. Just saying, and I'm not Korean.
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Based on what exactly? Technology and Scientific advancement has certainly progressed at a ridiculous pace in the past 100+ years, but I don't know that automatically translates to "more important" when compared to the rest of known history.
Teproc
King
Would be great if a lot of people did this, here is how it looks like combining the fours rankings that have been done. I think people are really underestimating India (and Arabia to a lesser extent) and overestimating The Mongols (and the Netherlands to a lesser extent). Sure, Genghis Khan's conquests were impressive, but we're talking historical impact here, not achievments of a single guy.
1) Greece (7)
2) Rome (12)
3) England (24)
3') China (24)
5) Egypt (27)
6) America (32)
7) France (35)
8) Babylon (42)
9) India (44)
9') Spain (44)
11) Arabia (49)
12) Persia (51)
13) Germany (52)
14) Russia (56)
15) Portugal (58)
16) Japan (66)
16') The Mongols (66)
18) The Netherlands (67)
19) The Ottomans (71)
20) Assyria (72)
21) Denmark (90)
22) The Maya (93)
23) The Inca (94)
23') Byzantium (94)
25) Carthage (103)
26) Sweden (104)
27) Austria (105)
28) The Celts (111)
29) Siam (114)
30) Ethiopia (123)
31) Venice (126)
32) Brazil (129)
32') Korea (129)
34) The Aztecs (130)
35) Poland (134)
36) The Iroquois (135)
37) Indonesia (143)
38) Morocco (146)
39) The Hunts (149)
40) Songhai (151)
41) Polynesia (158)
42) The Zulus (161)
43) The Shoshone (170)
1) Greece (7)
2) Rome (12)
3) England (24)
3') China (24)
5) Egypt (27)
6) America (32)
7) France (35)
8) Babylon (42)
9) India (44)
9') Spain (44)
11) Arabia (49)
12) Persia (51)
13) Germany (52)
14) Russia (56)
15) Portugal (58)
16) Japan (66)
16') The Mongols (66)
18) The Netherlands (67)
19) The Ottomans (71)
20) Assyria (72)
21) Denmark (90)
22) The Maya (93)
23) The Inca (94)
23') Byzantium (94)
25) Carthage (103)
26) Sweden (104)
27) Austria (105)
28) The Celts (111)
29) Siam (114)
30) Ethiopia (123)
31) Venice (126)
32) Brazil (129)
32') Korea (129)
34) The Aztecs (130)
35) Poland (134)
36) The Iroquois (135)
37) Indonesia (143)
38) Morocco (146)
39) The Hunts (149)
40) Songhai (151)
41) Polynesia (158)
42) The Zulus (161)
43) The Shoshone (170)
budweiser
King of the Beers
Importance to History? All of it? China #1 hands down.
lokithepunishr
Warlord
Er.. Bud I don't want to get into an arguement about this but I've lived in SK for 8 years. Japan owned Korea (twice) and so did China. Add to that that 90% of Korean history is written in Chinese (due to being China's <snip>) and the story is a whole different matter. How many Korean's speak Chinese? Less than 2% of people I know, probably less if you take a wider sample....
Gangnam style is not Korea's only cultural influence I know... But how many Korean singers do you know? I will name these <snip> off like fingers, 2NE1, GDragon, Sister, Girls Day, just let me know.
Korea is honestly a joke of a country, let alone a civ, if you want to argue I will be happy to oblige. Just state your opinion and I will state the correct history opposed to your revisionist history.
Sorry to be a douche but I know a lot about Korea from living here and being married to a Korean, I don't want to be a <snip> but I'm just saying that I know a little bit more about this than you...
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BenitoChavez
What business is it of yours?
This is probably just my ignorance of world history, but why is China (or the French, or British, etc) considered 1 civ stretching back from Modern times to the early dynasties, when Assyria, Ottoman, Byzantines, etc are all different civs despite the fact they all occupied similar territories? The social and political upheavals that lead to the collapse of those empires don't seem that different from anything that China has gone through.
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