Even anthropophagy can be practiced with style, just think of Hannibal Lecter. The Zhou ate some of their enemies and made it as Aesthete into the game as well, right?
Also, the Crusader Kings II achievement 'Bön Appétit,' that requires you to eat a character of the Bön religion is still funny to me...
Even anthropophagy can be practiced with style, just think of Hannibal Lecter. The Zhou ate some of their enemies and made it as Aesthete into the game as well, right?
Also, the Crusader Kings II achievement 'Bön Appétit,' that requires you to eat a character of the Bön religion is still funny to me...
I *think* cannibalism was widespread in China until Buddhism. People ate their deceased relatives and enemies for religious reasons. It might be more complicated than that, I don't remember why it was a practice. Yet, it was a high standing culture, very developed, and very civilized, so Aesthete makes sense.
They just wanted to have the three big nation states from Western Europe to be in: France, Germany and England. The other two big countries (Italy, Spain) will make it in in other eras and there will be some smaller European nations as well to give some flavour. Teutons is a bit of a strange name, but they apparently don't want to repeat culture names so Germans wasn't available.
It's all fine, can't do everything with only ten cultures per era after all.
Yeah, the inclusion of the Expansionist Franks, as opposed to say Aesthete Capetians, makes the Teutons redundant. This is the first choice from Humankind's team that I'm truly disappointed in. The Inca, or the Tang, or really any other non-European culture would have been waaaaaaaay better.
The alphabetical order is deceptive. In order of priority, I'd probably keep Byzantines (duh) > Vikings (they're different from mainland Europe and the Viking Age was a pretty big deal there) > Teutons (because of the HRE) and drop the English and the Franks. The Franks, as depicted, have a very weak identity. I'd have preferred Aesthete Capetians, like you said, but even what we got isn't terribly Carolingian. And the English would have been more distinct as Early Modern Scientists, or as Anglo-Saxons (though that'd be DLC material).
They just wanted to have the three big nation states from Western Europe to be in: France, Germany and England. The other two big countries (Italy, Spain) will make it in in other eras and there will be some smaller European nations as well to give some flavour. Teutons is a bit of a strange name, but they apparently don't want to repeat culture names so Germans wasn't available.
I *think* cannibalism was widespread in China until Buddhism. People ate their deceased relatives and enemies for religious reasons. It might be more complicated than that, I don't remember why it was a practice. Yet, it was a high standing culture, very developed, and very civilized, so Aesthete makes sense.
I believe this thread is highly relevant here: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistori...hat_can_romance_of_the_three_kingdoms_liu_an/
Chinese relationship with cannibalism was relatively hostile, but through the influence of Buddhism and tennets of Confucianism, it had garnered a certain mythical status.
Hence why you see the famous internet screenshot: "Decisive Tang strategic victory, 20-30 000 civilians were eaten."
Moving the English to Early Modern would not really solve anything in my opinion. The Spanish, some form and Italy and the Dutch are kind of a must if you want to select cultures of specifically that era, all three above the English in my personal view. Portugal is also nice to have of course. So you would just have another era with half/almost half European civs.
They wanted to have the big three in the same era. We are probably quite in agreement in this forum that having another era inbetween classical and medieval makes more sense if you want to simulate history, but in the end, Humankind is a game. And that means having the English here and making them agrarian since someone had to be...
Hmm, I was under the impression that Humankind was going to have a diverse roster, but having the English, Franks, Byzantines, and Teutons all available at launch does feel like Eurocentrism at work.
It’s not that I think any of the above cultures do not deserve to be in the game, but I would have thought one or two of them could have been reserved for DLC down the line. The Franks and the Teutons are especially similar, and having both at launch, occupying the same role, seems redundant.
Where are all the obscure cultures we’ve been told are coming? So far, the only surprise for me has been the Ghanaians (which I only found to be a disappointment because of their contrived design and their presence in place of a more significant nation like the Mali).
Anyhow, with that out of my system, I think the direction they’ve gone with the Teutons (which I fully support as their name) makes a lot of sense. Their classification as Expansionist is appropriate, as are their Emblematics.
I would have preferred the ordensburg as their EQ, but with the English already having strongholda, I understand why they went with this. That being said, I do think a cathedral would have been more fitting for the Byzantines, such as a tetraconch, but both empires revolved heavily around Christianity, so I’m fine with it.
I *think* cannibalism was widespread in China until Buddhism. People ate their deceased relatives and enemies for religious reasons. It might be more complicated than that, I don't remember why it was a practice. Yet, it was a high standing culture, very developed, and very civilized, so Aesthete makes sense.
I got a flash back from my middle school times playing AoE2.
Even then the term Teutons was not something new for me. At least on Mexico (and probably other spanic nations) the sport and specially soccer narrators love to use alternative adjetives for the nationalities, so is common to said "la selección Teutona" like "la selección Alemana", and every time we can do jokes about how nice looking are the german women because they are "teutonas"
Other examples:
- "El jugador galo" for a french player.
- "El representativo inca" for the Peruvian representation.
- "En el estadio de los nipones" for in the japanese stadium.
Considering I’ve been the lone voice championing the inclusion of a Crusader-States civilization in Civ VI, the fact that Amplitude beat Firaxis to the punch definitely heightens my esteem of Humankind! This is the most exciting culture announcement so far, and I’ll definitely be playing as the Teutons in my first or second game (depends if I go with Greece or Rome in the Ancient Era for my first playthrough; if the former, I’ll go Byzantines, then go with Rome and the Teutons next game).
Well, I like the choice. Just as the ancient era focused on the Middle East, the medieval age has more representation of castle Europe. A very thematic decision. Also in the modern age we will have a greater representation of non-European civs.
Anyway, if someone prefers tribes and short kingdoms over 1000 year old empires like Byzantine, he can always open civ VI.
Huh, interesting. So we get a hybrid between agressive Teuton archetype and extensive Holy Roman Empire.
I like it, althought it'd be cool if once we got strategy game where German cultures are entirely focused on science, culture or economy, with no nods towards EXTREMELY MILITARIST PRUSSIAN GERMAN CULTURE HURR INDUSTRIAL POWER stereotype
Huh, interesting. So we get a hybrid between agressive Teuton archetype and extensive Holy Roman Empire.
I like it, althought it'd be cool if once we got strategy game where German cultures are entirely focused on science, culture or economy, with no nods towards EXTREMELY MILITARIST PRUSSIAN GERMAN CULTURE HURR INDUSTRIAL POWER stereotype
Unfortunately, Prussia made the Industrial/Early Modern German State and the army made Prussia, so we will probably see more of the Sturm und Drang Germans before we see less of them.
On the other hand, it would be nice if (Modders, please note) we had Early Modern German Factions based on Saxony or Bavaria, either of which would give a much different 'tone' to a German Faction.
The Franks, which are a Germanic people, under Charlemagne controlled parts of both France and Germany. After this disintegration of the Empire the west kept the name Franks and were predecessors to France.
The lands of present-day Germany though were still inhabited by Frankish people, called East Francia for a while, which did evolve into the HRE Empire again, but by that time France was a separate kingdom from it.
It seems to me they wanted to create a different medieval Germany and medieval France culture when realistically I think they could have been combined into one under the Franks.
You are correct but I find it always amazing that everybody talks about France and Germany, which are actually (with an exception of a few parts in modern NW Germany) the conquered lands and and were later added to the Frankish empire.
The Franks started as a confederation of Germanic tribes in the low countries and the bordering lands in modern Germany who never really were one people but all closely related tribes. They were roughly divided into the Salians (named after a tribe originally living in modern province Gelderland in the Netherlands) and the Ripurians (originally bordering the Salians just over the modern border in Germany) First the Saliians crossed the rivers in the Netherlands into the then Roman lands which are now Brabantian and Flemish lands in the Southern Netherlands and Belgium. Then the Ripurians crossed the Rhine to the south conquered Cologne and then eastwards into modern Hesse and Rhineland and what is now called Franconia (Franken) including Frankfurt. The Salian went on south and conquered most of what now is stil called France. The original Frankish weren't a huge amount of people themselves so it wasn't a surprise that in the conquered lands they slowly absorbed into the peoples they conquered (still influencing early French though) and in Germany the Frankish dialect underwent the German language shifts and afterwards they basically spoke more (High-)German (which wasn't called that way then) than old Frankish.
The Franks still living in the original homelands (Netherlands/Belgium and the direct German borderlands) though still spoke the same language and that language Old Low Franconian is the same as Old Dutch which of course turned into modern Dutch (including Flemish/Afrikaans etc). Those Dutch dialects spoken in what is now Germany slowly became more and more influenced by (High-)German after they stayed in the Holy Roman Empire after the Low countries itself left. Especially after the (High-)German Luther Bible Translation and the formation of the German state.
Though the name of the Franks did stick in the conquered Roman lands (France) and deep in Germany (Franconia/Frankfurt), but in it's homeland it completely dissipated. It's people still live forth as the Dutch and Flemish though.
PS: I had to shorten the extremely complicated history and skipped the already more known story of Charlemagne (Karel de Grote in Dutch/Karl der Große in German and weirdly his name in English is the French one).
But it still amazes me that Charlemagne is claimed today at the same time as one of the biggest French and German historical persons ever, even when he wasn't either. (I can understand the German claim more as the French but it still isn't correct).
But it still amazes me that Charlemagne is claimed today at the same time as one of the biggest French and German historical persons ever, even when he wasn't either. (I can understand the German claim more as the French but it still isn't correct).
Everybody wants to have ancestors that were Great - Empires, conquerors, etc. In the same vein, most provincial museums in France with archeological exhibits are almost entirely Roman - nobody wants to be associated with the 'conquered' Gauls even though many of the 'Roman' sites are built right over or among earlier Celtic/Gaulic ones!
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I got a flash back from my middle school times playing AoE2.
