... I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to lump me in with the "build a wall" people. Building a wall simply wouldn't work. But with this thread, I imagine that it can indeed be done albeit with lasers instead for a relatively cheap amount with a 100% success rate.
Hypothetical Laser Fence
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... I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to lump me in with the "build a wall" people. Building a wall simply wouldn't work. But with this thread, I imagine that it can indeed be done albeit with lasers instead for a relatively cheap amount with a 100% success rate.
I support a revised immigration policy, however, if you had the benefit of such a pseudo doom wall, well, that would make things a lot easier. It would more or less destroy the cross border drug trade also now that I think about it.
Elta
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I am not, I've been on this forum a long time and I know how conversation go off topic and I could see where it was going. Preemptive strike.
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No.
A few notes: most immigrants tend to assimilate within a generation, especially so in the United States due to our predominantly pro-immigration culture (considering most of us are descended from immigrants, some of us within a generation). As a result, fears that southern America will "hispanify' and destroy the fabric of our nation are completely unfounded - Benjamin Franklin had the same fears about Germans in the Revolutionary era and nothing happened. Same thing with the Irish, Chinese, Japanese, hell, every single immigrant group ever. Such words only reflect poorly on the spirit of our nation.
Furthermore, the 'giant wall' idea in all of its forms is pretty useless IMO. The best way to stop illegal immigration is to make the incentives to immigrate less - namely by reducing the need to immigrate to the US by a) helping stop the violence raging just south of border, and b) working with the Mexican government to provide jobs and prosperity to the people most likely to immigrate - except in Mexico, not here.
Oh, and increasing immigration quotas.
A few notes: most immigrants tend to assimilate within a generation, especially so in the United States due to our predominantly pro-immigration culture (considering most of us are descended from immigrants, some of us within a generation). As a result, fears that southern America will "hispanify' and destroy the fabric of our nation are completely unfounded - Benjamin Franklin had the same fears about Germans in the Revolutionary era and nothing happened. Same thing with the Irish, Chinese, Japanese, hell, every single immigrant group ever. Such words only reflect poorly on the spirit of our nation.
Furthermore, the 'giant wall' idea in all of its forms is pretty useless IMO. The best way to stop illegal immigration is to make the incentives to immigrate less - namely by reducing the need to immigrate to the US by a) helping stop the violence raging just south of border, and b) working with the Mexican government to provide jobs and prosperity to the people most likely to immigrate - except in Mexico, not here.
Oh, and increasing immigration quotas.
Integral
Can't you hear it?
Nah, the most effective tool for stopping illegal immigration is to make legal immigration easier.
Elta
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Well that's a given 
Ah, well... carry on.
Also, I support the idea because it would allow us to accept people from other places in place of those millions of Mexicans and Central Americans crossing the border... if we were able to get rid of the Mexico problem, we'd be able to accept more refugees, etc. that are living under the same conditions as these migrant workers just crossing the border.
This.
I would be opposed to this fence. $10 billion is a lot of money. It could be better spent improving quality of life within Mexico, reducing illegal immigration, or through assisting in legal immigration schemes, again reducing illegal immigration. Both of these would make a much more positive difference than simply cutting out one source of illegal immigration.
Elta
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10 billion is a drop in the bucket in Mexico.
It is a trillion dollar economy.
In 25 years the per capita income in Mexico will be in the Spain-Portugal range and no more poor will be coming here unless they really want to live here *shrug*. I dunno the whole thing is not a big deal to me.
It is a trillion dollar economy.
In 25 years the per capita income in Mexico will be in the Spain-Portugal range and no more poor will be coming here unless they really want to live here *shrug*. I dunno the whole thing is not a big deal to me.
Well creating a massive fence is only going to make the situation in Mexico worse. $10 billion will go a reasonably long way to improving a reasonable number of lives, if spent correctly. When the choice is between making the situation in Mexico even worse, leading to greater humanitarian disaster, and raising the level of refugees coming to America (who by definition are not illegal immigrants), and doing something to help the situation in Mexico, which would invariably result in less illegal immigration, then the choice should be obvious.
Elta
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Good point.
Integral can fill you in, but IIRC the Progresa program is doing really well, a little more funding for something like that can go a long way.
Integral can fill you in, but IIRC the Progresa program is doing really well, a little more funding for something like that can go a long way.
Quackers
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Immigration to USA
Nation of origin Numbers of immigrants 1607-1958
Germany 6,798,313
Italy 5,017,625
Great Britain 4,642,096
Ireland 4,693,009
This is over the space of 400 years. Whilst all Mexico immigration has occured over the past 4-5 decades. In 2006 their were 12-20 million illegal Mexican immigrants in the US more than Germany and Italy the highest previously ever sent over the ocean. How can US assimilate so many people of varying ethnicities (it is generally accepted it is harder to accept those kinds of immigrants) in a shorter time than those Germans and Italians over hundreds of years bearing in mind that these mexican immigrants are concentrated in the South West. US will just become like Mexico over time.
Nation of origin Numbers of immigrants 1607-1958
Germany 6,798,313
Italy 5,017,625
Great Britain 4,642,096
Ireland 4,693,009
This is over the space of 400 years. Whilst all Mexico immigration has occured over the past 4-5 decades. In 2006 their were 12-20 million illegal Mexican immigrants in the US more than Germany and Italy the highest previously ever sent over the ocean. How can US assimilate so many people of varying ethnicities (it is generally accepted it is harder to accept those kinds of immigrants) in a shorter time than those Germans and Italians over hundreds of years bearing in mind that these mexican immigrants are concentrated in the South West. US will just become like Mexico over time.
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You see, there's this thing called accepting other cultures and providing a friendly environment that people want to join. Take it from me (personal experience): people ALWAYS assimilate within a generation, regardless of ethnicity.
Quackers
The Frog
Well you can believe that but I think this time round you have too many immigrants in a concentrated area of the South-West especially California which will be far more difficult to intergrate than the comparative few which came from Europe. Anyway iirc California is more of a multicultural state than "the melting pot" the US is usually proud to boast about.
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Oscillator
No, no, no. You assimilate people better with antagonism than openness. Flawless logic, you know.
