ID expert admits 'It's not science'

[la cosa nostra]

Ofcourse its not science, you can prove evolution (i.e dig up fossils), ID is just the bible under a different name - its a theory with no base outside a church, and the bible bieng the fairytale that it is - its a shame this debate exists today, all I can say, how stupid can people in the US be? Obviously alot dumber than I thought if they're serious about this.

 

[Bluemofia]

Ofcourse its not science, you can prove evolution (i.e dig up fossils), ID is just the bible under a different name - its a theory with no base outside a church, and the bible bieng the fairytale that it is - its a shame this debate exists today, all I can say, how stupid can people in the US be? Obviously alot dumber than I thought if they're serious about this.

Just subsitute some of the words and then viola, what is currently describing the current situation.

 

[El_Machinae]

That's not fair! Some of us aren't allowed to snicker at work!

 

[Kyriakos]

that comic was very nice

 

[Blasphemous]

Oh bravo, bravo!

 

[BasketCase]

It's always "fear", ain't it?

If someone is anti-gay, the line is fired across: "what are you afraid of??"

If someone considers ID a waste of time, the line is fired across: "you're afraid to debate it!!"

It's almost never fear. As a friend of mine puts it: he doesn't fear gays, he hates them. I've never heard anybody say they were afraid of gays, or afraid to debate an ID'ist.

 

[Kyriakos]

And what do gays have to do with ID?
Hating something is not that simple; you should bother to ask yourself why you hate it, since ofcourse there are reasons behind any emotion.
On the other hand ID has nothing to do with hating or not hating: it simply is not science.

 

[BasketCase]

That "Modern World" cartoon.

"The scientific community is challenged to debate the issue. If they refuse, so much the better."

"They're afraid to face us!"

That trick is used with a whole lot of issues.


If all cows are purple, and you run across a cow, that cow must be purple. The fact that you've seen non-purple cows before, doesn't change the fact that that boldfaced statement is both logically sound and true. However, since all cows are not purple, it's also true that if you run across a cow, it might not be purple.

However, the argument "if life is too complex to have evolved naturally, then God must have created it" doesn't hold. Other things besides God could have done it. At this very moment, we Humans are already deciphering the genetic code and creating new species. It's a big leap from there to creating whole planets and entire ecosystems. But it shows that it's possible that things besides Gods can pull it off.

Evolution actually has not been proven conclusively. The existence of Conway's Life and other irreducibly complex things that can evolve naturally, doesn't show that the Earth did evolve naturally. Only that it could have. But there is substantial evidence to support evolution, and it's currently the only theory for which any such evidence exists.

Now, if God appeared to me and said "hi" in a booming voice, that would change.

Edit: Uhhh.....just a second--somebody's yelling at me from the next room, in a booming voice.

Re-edit: My bad. That was just my roommate screwing around with the karaoke machine.

 

[Kyriakos]

Now, if God appeared to me and said "hi" in a booming voice, that would change.

There is a known joke in psychiatric circles:
"If you talk to god, it is called prayer. If god answers it is called schizophrenia".
A number of people have heard such booming voices; it is one of the text-book symptoms of the very serious mental disorder called schizophrenia, although it has to be said that this has to be going on for months, and be stabilised, so that it can be clinically regarded as that (otherwise it can be described as a psychotic episode). Schizophrenia is not as rare as one would think, since iirc statistically 3% of the population may develop it, in varying degrees.