If you could witness any point in history...

[HamaticBabylon]

HamaticBabylon, emu, and red threat, please - get different avatars? I thought someone had quadruple-posted.

I'm the first to have that kind of avatar, and everybody just wanted a piece of the hamatic pie....even curt!

 

[CurtSibling]

My version was a superior in design and intended for mockery only.

I would nver use that cloudy Jpeg for an avatar...
I guess the lack of quality is rather fitting for it's main user!

(j/k)

 

[Xen]

I don’t understand why people find it hard to believe that the carthagians were the victims of a vicious war machine aka Rome! That’s all the Roman Empire was a “fighting machine”. Curt you are Scottish by breed then you too must hate Rome. For the cults and barbaric Saxons fought the Romans in Hannibal’s missionary infantry armies.

To see the destruction of the city of Rome would have been the greatest site on earth in 224 B.C.

A)you only want to see Rome gone because it woudl be fitting (or so you think) to you afro-centrist revisionist efforts; I have news for you, Rome treated ethnic africans better then Carthage ever did, just ask the Lybians, who are the closest thign you going to find to what you woudl call a true african, and even they arnt "black", and never have been, as the population of Northern Africa is beduin by geneology.

B)you must mean "celts" rather then "cults" and saying that "by breed you must hate" is the most blatentlly idiotic statment I have ever heard from you, considering all it dose is promote hate. I'm a Roman, and I certinally dont hate Curt, or Scotland; indeed, its one fo the most beutiful places I have ever been to. Your merelly a racist bigot.

C)the Angles didt exist at that point in time, hell the Germans had barelly pushed the celts out of of classic Germany by this time, let alont estbalished themselves in Denmark (where, interestinglly enough the Teutons, who woudl eventually give thier name to all things germanic, were very happy Celts, how they ended up Germans, and in Pommerania is anyones guess)

D)need I remind you, the Carthaginians started the entire mess when they went to war with the greek colonies on Sicilly, who eventually looked to Rome (though secretlly looked to paly bothsides, and come out on top) for Protection- it was carthage who bit off more then it could chew, and it shoudl be noted that before hand, carthage and Rome were in alliance- an alliance that Carthage broke- they were victims not of the Roman military machine, but of thier own damnable greed and arrogence, the same general pitfalls that ever nation that has fallen can blame its downfall on. African kingdoms included in that statement mind you.

E)if you call Rome a war machine you are lookign at only a segment of Roman society- thier is a disting reason why only twe legions were needed in all of Rome's african holdings, one in Egyptr, the other in Algeria, and that was because the people liked Roman rule better then anythign the "native" rulers had offered, or done (thiers also the fact that thier was no military threats of note or worth in Africa, but thats a different topic) The Carthaginians were child sacrificeing, theiving monsters, and you woudl only back them because they were based on your own mother contient, even though they wer eneither you ethnicity, nor even treated your ethnicity as remotelly equal to thier own, while Rome did.


all you spew out is racial hate, bigotry, and want-to-be revisionist ideals that hold Africa as the center of everything, and look to down play or eliminate the record of the achievments of every other ethnicty, even though ethnicty counts for exactley squat in the long run, and all it dose is breed a great deal of resentment towards you. equality works bothways buddy, and its ironic that I, a white dude, apperentlly younger then you, and of the two "ethncities" you seem to hate most; Anglo-Norman on my moms side, and firm Roman on my fathers am the one who is the actual propnent of true racial equality between us, but then the gods work in strangeways, I suppose.

 

[blindside]

Seeing the WW2 Eastern Front battle of Kursk from a good distance.

The largest armoured forces in the history of humanity, and the most hardcore defences the world had ever seen!

A hideous waste of men and machines, but it the whole vista would have indeed have a terrible majesty!

I would perhaps also visit the Wolfsschanze and leave a pinch of cyanide in the mineral water of a certain
Austrian tyrant...Thus maybe ending WW2 in late 1943 and saving planet Earth from the cold war.

That and the battles of Stalingrad, Verdun, Somme would all be quite incredible to watch.

 

[CurtSibling]

A)you only want to see Rome gone because it woudl be fitting (or so you think) to you afro-centrist revisionist efforts; I have news for you, Rome treated ethnic africans better then Carthage ever did, just ask the Lybians, who are the closest thign you going to find to what you woudl call a true african, and even they arnt "black", and never have been, as the population of Northern Africa is beduin by geneology.

B)you must mean "celts" rather then "cults" and saying that "by breed you must hate" is the most blatentlly idiotic statment I have ever heard from you, considering all it dose is promote hate. I'm a Roman, and I certinally dont hate Curt, or Scotland; indeed, its one fo the most beutiful places I have ever been to. Your merelly a racist bigot.

C)the Angles didt exist at that point in time, hell the Germans had barelly pushed the celts out of of classic Germany by this time, let alont estbalished themselves in Denmark (where, interestinglly enough the Teutons, who woudl eventually give thier name to all things germanic, were very happy Celts, how they ended up Germans, and in Pommerania is anyones guess)

D)need I remind you, the Carthaginians started the entire mess when they went to war with the greek colonies on Sicilly, who eventually looked to Rome (though secretlly looked to paly bothsides, and come out on top) for Protection- it was carthage who bit off more then it could chew, and it shoudl be noted that before hand, carthage and Rome were in alliance- an alliance that Carthage broke- they were victims not of the Roman military machine, but of thier own damnable greed and arrogence, the same general pitfalls that ever nation that has fallen can blame its downfall on. African kingdoms included in that statement mind you.

E)if you call Rome a war machine you are lookign at only a segment of Roman society- thier is a disting reason why only twe legions were needed in all of Rome's african holdings, one in Egyptr, the other in Algeria, and that was because the people liked Roman rule better then anythign the "native" rulers had offered, or done (thiers also the fact that thier was no military threats of note or worth in Africa, but thats a different topic) The Carthaginians were child sacrificeing, theiving monsters, and you woudl only back them because they were based on your own mother contient, even though they wer eneither you ethnicity, nor even treated your ethnicity as remotelly equal to thier own, while Rome did.


all you spew out is racial hate, bigotry, and want-to-be revisionist ideals that hold Africa as the center of everything, and look to down play or eliminate the record of the achievments of every other ethnicty, even though ethnicty counts for exactley squat in the long run, and all it dose is breed a great deal of resentment towards you. equality works bothways buddy, and its ironic that I, a white dude, apperentlly younger then you, and of the two "ethncities" you seem to hate most; Anglo-Norman on my moms side, and firm Roman on my fathers am the one who is the actual propnent of true racial equality between us, but then the gods work in strangeways, I suppose.

This is why I have such high respect for this poster!
A damn fine post, Xen!

There is no room for bigots and race-haters in CFC, and you smashed HamBab's twisted ideas in fine style.

 

[HamaticBabylon]

Tell me this why did the Romans burn every library in Carthage when they went in. Why did they spend so much time destroying carthagian identity? Why did the Romans tell everybody that the carthagians were a bunch of savages and child sacrificers? What wasn’t that they were hiding from everybody else? The bastards that don’t deserve to survive write history!

You need to do some reading into the carthagian history and stop listening to propaganda from a roman dominated source.

And curt drooling, stop being a cheerleader!

 

[Perfection]

Gad! The Punic wars were thousands of years ago, does it really matter who commited what atrocity?

 

[Vladyc]

Tell me this why did the Romans burn every library in Carthage when they went in. Why did they spend so much time destroying carthagian identity? Why did the Romans tell everybody that the carthagians were a bunch of savages and child sacrificers? What wasn’t that they were hiding from everybody else? The bastards that don’t deserve to survive write history!

You need to do some reading into the carthagian history and stop listening to propaganda from a roman dominated source.

And curt drooling, stop being a cheerleader!

And you think that in the "Great Destruction of Rome" Carthage would have treated Roman culture any differently? What makes Carthage at all morally better than Rome?

 

[Xen]

Tell me this why did the Romans burn every library in Carthage when they went in.[/quote[

simple. they didnt- they ended up bestowing most of the books to other rulers in Northern Africa as thanks for thier assistence in fightign Carthage (somthigtn hey were all too happy to do anyway, after how Carthage had been treatign them)- otherwise, the boks were taken to Rome, from whcih surive a valuble tristiese on farming, and part so fthe epic of Hanno, an expidtion that got a third of the way down africa, before turnign back

Why did they spend so much time destroying carthagian identity?

they didnt; they killed every single one fo the Carthaginian who remained atop thier citadal, and Scipio the minor had given the chance before the final closeing in for non combatents to go freelly- these non combatents choose of thier own accord to halt thier Carthaginian culture, which they coudl have carried on in secret id they wished, and Rome, at that point, coudl have done nothing; but they didnt.

Why did the Romans tell everybody that the carthagians were a bunch of savages and child sacrificers?

namelly because they were a buch of child sacrifincg savages; the sacrficial pits to thiers gods are well documented, and have a well established history in med sea coast of the middle east; the Phoenicians are well known too, and thie ris evidence the early hebrews did as well

What wasn’t that they were hiding from everybody else? The bastards that don’t deserve to survive write history!

considerign that everyone[/b[ around them hated them; somthign not even your dispiciable roman empire managed to achieve under its worst rulers, it seems to be that the Carthagians just were very nice guys, and did little of real pride or note.

You need to do some reading into the carthagian history and stop listening to propaganda from a roman dominated source.

and you need to stop beign a bigot, and realize that those same "biased sources" were more fair and chartiable then the Carthaginains EVER were, and the punic descend Septimus Severus, who hailed from the old Punic colony of Leptis Magna eventually became a Roman emperor; showing that even fi the Carthagians showed no mercy to thier subjects, the Romans did, even tot hier enemies, the Carthaginians, and thier descendents.

 

[Xen]

i'll witness my death, so that i may cheat it

thats actually a pretty good one (not that others arnt good, but you have to admit, this one isnt huge or grand, but is rather simple, and easy to achieve, unless of course, his death is of old age, in which case, that woudl suck foir the ceating it part)

 

[CurtSibling]

Tell me this why did the Romans burn every library in Carthage when they went in. Why did they spend so much time destroying carthagian identity? Why did the Romans tell everybody that the carthagians were a bunch of savages and child sacrificers? What wasn’t that they were hiding from everybody else? The bastards that don’t deserve to survive write history!

Do you think that all historical accounts come from Roman scribes?

Your incoherent meanderings become more detached from reality day by day...

Your favourite CIVIII faction lost it's historical war, which she started...Get used to the concept.

The fact that you use this alphabet to communicate means you have!

If you hate Rome so much, silly person - Then speak in the dialect of Carthage!

You need to do some reading into the carthagian history and stop listening to propaganda from a roman dominated source.

You need to ditch your misguided, warped views of the world and
read something other than left-wing, etho-racist webpages...

And curt drooling, stop being a cheerleader!

Did you squeak something?

The words of a deranged gnat do nothing but amuse the wise hawk...

 

[Perfection]

i'll witness my death, so that i may cheat it

But everyone gets a chance to witness their death and they never can cheat it.

 

[Vietcong]

hmmmm
the battel of berlin, the fall of its capital budling and the riseing of the red flag over it..

 

[carniflex]

Paris, may 1871.

One of these times when the humanity is holding the future into its hands.

 

[Captain Carnage]

What's a battle?

 

[jonatas]

The fact that you use this alphabet to communicate means you have!

i'm not sure what you're referring to, but just to clarify....

our alphabet is derived from the Greek alphabet which itself comes from the Phoenician alphabet, of whom coincidentally the Carthaginians were direct descendents i believe

 

[IglooDame]

And mighty Rome, the eternal city has been abused many times...

....She still stands in all her glory.

You know, that reminds me. One thing I'd like to witness in history is what the hell Pope Leo I said to Attila the Hun that made Attila pack up and head back north when Attila could have readily (and clearly had planned to) overrun and sack Rome.

 

[Xen]

i'm not sure what you're referring to, but just to clarify....

our alphabet is derived from the Greek alphabet which itself comes from the Phoenician alphabet, of whom coincidentally the Carthaginians were direct descendents i believe

no,our Alphabet is desecended from the Latin alphabet, which has more in common witht he etruscans alphabet (which, also lent itself to become the Rune writing system of the germanic peoples, perhaps showing the surprising amount of clout that the Etruscans had earned from the "barbarians" after hloding them off, and on and off conqoring them for so long)

while in essence, the alphabet is phoencian derived, the alphabet itself is no longer phoencian in form, and significant inprovments- such as new letters, new sounds, and vowels, most importantlly, were added to the written script.- thats why the Latin alphabet is the Laqtin alphabet, and not the Greek, Phoencian, or Carthaginian alphabet.

 

[jonatas]

@Xen

you just contradicted yourself on multiple levels...

our alphabet is not descended from the Latin alphabet, it IS the Latin alphabet....

after saying i'm wrong you then admit it is derived from the phoenician but add a caveat that it is no longer phoenician in form... that is why we use the word "derived" Xen

and finally, the Phoenician alphabet is older than the Greek, not co-temporaneous in origin.... the Greek was derived from the Phoenician, as the Latin was from the Greek....

 

[Xen]

@Xen

you just contradicted yourself on multiple levels...

our alphabet is not descended from the Latin alphabet, it IS the Latin alphabet....

IT MODERN LATIN- new ltters, such as J, and W have been added, after classic began to change in and aroudn the 4th century- get your facts right if your going to try to say i'm wrong, which in this case, i'm not. if you need more proof then just two letters, lower case letters did not exist in classic latin; they were an innovation added later, after the western empire had fell.

after saying i'm wrong you then admit it is derived from the phoenician but add a caveat that it is no longer phoenician in form... that is why we use the word "derived" Xen

you said that our alpahbet is Greek, which was derived from phoenicans- that snot right, our alphabet is latin, derived from etruscans, derived from Phoenician; but that hardley means its still ANYTHING like Phoenicians, which woudl be closer to hebrew, or Aramaic- languages that arny even Indo-European

and finally, the Phoenician alphabet is older than the Greek, not co-temporaneous.... the Greek was derived from the Phoenician, as the Latin was from the Greek....

, no Latin was NOT derived from Greek; it was derived from Etruscan, which its written language was itself, like Greek, a dervitive of the phoencians symbol system