Immortal Minimalism, Chapter I - Hatshepsut

[yatta77]

@GGracchus

Spoiler :

Use exist, not exists.

Thanks! I'll correct it. This was from missing taking out the final "S" when editing that sentence from "pull Off, pull Out, which one of the two exists?" to "pull Off, pull Out, or they both exist?".

On the To Infinitive issue, I'm not sure I understood your explanation, sorry.

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Back on the Game:

I made a big mistake. I forgot about The Creative Trait and trained a Settler in Menphis, while I could train a Worker to improve the Cow Tile inside Memphis Popped Up Cultural Border (while there is nothing better than what it is being worked in Mamphis Small Fat Cross).

I would strongly consider moving the "cow corn" settling location 1NE. (...) consider settling on the Fur, to pick up the Fish as well as being able to share the Cow. (...) Another possibility is to settle one City on top of the Plains Horse square in the north (for Fish, Fur, and Shared Cow) as well as a City SE + E of the Grassland Corn River.

I agree with dhoom about the northern horse city, should be 1 NE. There could be then another directly on fur for the fish

I attached the Next Cities Plan edited from the Turn 51 Screen Shot above: sorry both, nothing final but I believe I'll stick with the previous program: I'm going to have 6-8 cities to build up the expansive thing to colonize Alpha Centauri, which the AIs pay like 40% of the on this level, water normally doesn't make any , and only One Maoi Statues is allowed: 4 Coastal Cities are too many. Since clamclam must build the FishingBoat for the Clams and the Fish in the North (once included in the Cultural Borders), the Maoi will be built in clamclam as well, and all the nice Plain will be powerful Caste System post Biology Workshops.
And: Frigates! A nightmare for Coastal Cities if in War without a Navy.
And: Army! 3 squares away Cities are easier to defend.
And: I need Universities quick in all those cities, in order to build Oxford.

Once Currency kicks in, I'll sale 2 Ivory and 1 Corn for to face the Empire maintenance costs, which might end up to be enough to run a 100% making 0 domestically and be in profit.

Then switch between production and Scientists in the cities, depending on the needed/available Infrastructures.

I have some doubts on the location of the southern Wine City, but this will be the last of those anyways.

The decision to go for mids without stone is crap imo ;-). You can maybe pull it off depending how quickly GW goes.

I think I won't miss them. I'll likely Chop the two Grass riverside forest just to be sure. If I miss them, I'll have to change all my plans, badly.

Copy/Paste from the Post Above, just to make sure the issue won't be lost:

I seem to remember hearing that land-based Food Resources won't spawn next to each other like that, so maybe you're using a weird type of map script that breaks what I thought was a rule.

I've seen two different in the same Capital many times, next to each other I sincerely don't remember. I can assure this is a BtS 3.19 Standard Random Generated Fractal Map, which I did Not Open in the World Builder and I did Not Re-Roll (I mean it is just the First Random Generated Map). Actually I didn't even know about this apparently (from what you say) uncommon resource position before settling the City (since the Rice was in the Fog).

Can you please provide a link or confirm somehow about this being weird?

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@all
Please try to keep Grammar related issues only in Spoilers. I guess it is likely better for the Game discussion readability. Thank You

Greetings,
yatta.

 

[yatta77]

The pyramids without stone or industrious takes very long. (...)

Sorry I slowly wrote the above post while eating, so I missed your comments in that reply. I'll answer you in the next.
(by the way, some things are covered by my reply to vranasm and Dhoomstriker).

If there's only one food resource in the capital, and no other tiles that produce at least 3 food,
the map generator will add one extra food source, that can be next to and existing food resource.
It shouldn't happen anywhere else.

So my Corn-Rice Capital is "normal" right?

Greetings,
yatta.

 

[GGracchus]

Spoiler :

The gist of it is that an infinitive acts like a noun, but you probably knew that. I was talking about the "go to practice" sentence, but essentially it can be used because "to practice" is the noun. I can't explain stuff well, sorry.

Game-wise, without stone/industrious, screw the pyramids and REX.

 

[yatta77]

Spoiler :

I can't explain stuff well, sorry.

Spoiler :

no worries. I'm glad with people teaching and correcting me, it helps the readability of my writing; but this doesn't mean people must feel like having the task to take a red pencil and go through my posts underlining my errors.
I mean, if something easy for you to explain comes up to your eyes, and you have time to, just point it out .

Game-wise, without stone/industrious, screw the pyramids and REX.

Sorry, not in this Series: REX != Minimalism.
Thinking about it, since obviously a well played REX game (which is something I'm not able to do) would be more impressive, once I finish (either I can win or not), someone might take the save and replay the game REXing, just to show the difference: I mean that REXing, if well played, is surely a stronger and more solid approach.

The pyramids without stone or industrious takes very long. Normally I would never build this unless with an isolated start, when delaying expansion doesn't hurt too much.

Correct Approach Generically talking. But if I'm starting with No War Allowed in mind, I would hardly renounce to them. And I'm not going to Expand too much over the land you already see in my cultural Borders. Win the game this way doing it with Cottages it is harder for me.
By the Way, I started on the Pyramids way earlier than Mansa showed up (I could stop building them then, and take the cash later, of course).

Is Mansa on another island?

I have no idea. He showed up late (Turn 45, Screen Shot in a spoiler few posts above), on my same Continent, and with a Skirmisher! I have no idea what this means. Probably he was capturing a close Barbarian City, or just hunting Barbarians.

I would produce at least one more worker before the pyramids. You really need to improve that cow, chop some forests in both cities, and have some riverside grasslands farmed,

Amen. Yes, see post above. I screwed on this topic forgetting about the Creative Trait, and fearing Mansa would settle too close. But I'm already halfway on the Settler, so I'll finish it now.

once the pyramids are done to quickly grow the population, so you can build a libray, run 2 scientists and keep working all the good tiles.

Now I'm going to blow someone's mind, but I don't always run Scientists right after Pyramids switch to Representation, I might also wait to get the Great Engineer who will build the Great Library. But after that the plan it is what you say, of course!

Before the horses appeared, I would put your cow/corn city on the horses, and another city 2 east one south of the corn, to be able to work all the grassland hills in that corner of the map.

I believe all this talking on City position is extremely interesting. Everybody have excellent reasons defending its position.
The issue with Coastal Cities in this case with me, as said above, is mostly on Coastal Tiles being poor wise. And I need for the Space Ship, since on Immortal the AIs pay SS Components something like the 40% of the regular cost, and will have many more cities to build them. If the SS Race would be just about , my City positioning would likely be different.

With the horses, I would put one city on the fur, and one city 1 west of the corn. I would put the next city on the coast, to be able to produce a workboat to find out where Mansa is, establish trade, and see if you can reach anyone else.

That's something I thought. But actually with a War Chariot. And I need those few Warriors there for now.

Thanks for the FeedBack.

Greetings,
yatta.

 

[lymond]

@yatta and Gracchus

Spoiler :

Gracchus is partially correct about the infinitive. It is used as an object in the sentence and follows a verb, as in G's example "He likes to practice". However, although an object in this case, I would not call it a noun. "To practice" is still an action. Infinitives can also be used in the subject of a sentence, e.g., "To see is too believe". Infinitives are the base form of a verb like "ser" or "estar" in Spanish. However, I don't recall ever using the infinitive forms of verbs in Spanish in a sentence.

As for "Go practice". That is fine. "Go to practice" means something different and actually "practice" in this case is a noun. Ha...although you would "go to practice" in order to "go practice". Practice is both a noun and a verb. edit: Actually "Go practice" when heard would mean that someone was saying to go perform the action of practicing...say soccer (football). "Go to practice" when heard would mean that you would go to the place where soccer practice is held. Technically though "Go (to practice)" could mean the same as "Go practice" as I just described, but it would be considered very clunky, and an English speaker would not "hear" it as such, but rather how I just described "Go to practice" above.

yatta - as for the capitalization of words for emphasis, there is nothing wrong with that. However, as mentioned, just capitalizing the first letter and doing it so often makes it lose its efficacy. Using all caps on a word is better and no one would confuse the intent. Italicization is also effective. I would do this in moderation always though.

 

[yatta77]

@yatta and Gracchus

Spoiler :

yatta - as for the capitalization of words for emphasis, there is nothing wrong with that. However, as mentioned, just capitalizing the first letter and doing it so often makes it lose its efficacy. Using all caps on a word is better and no one would confuse the intent. Italicization is also effective. I would do this in moderation always though.

Spoiler :

Ok, if it doesn't help I'll quit then. No complains.

Capitalize the keywords is often used, for example, in both coding tutorial and RPG manuals. I thought as well that capitalize Civ IV related words (Mine, Worker, Archer, Flood Plains, Turns, Wonder, Caste System, Gold, Ivory, Commerce, Victory Condition, Fractal Map, ...) would make it easier for the reader to perceive and visualize them as the "objects" or "concepts" they are in the game (not in reality).

If you check the "disclaimer" section of the opening post, which doesn't contains such keywords, you'll see that, in both the paragraphs, no words have the first letter capitalized (except for the ones after a period, of course).

I just wanted to point out that it is not "random", and it is not "my invention".
And, by the way, it takes time.

Thanks all for pointing it out.

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I'll probably play the second session later tonight, or maybe tomorrow, Sunday.

Greetings,
yatta.

 

[Dhoomstriker]

@Dhoomstriker
I've seen two different in the same Capital many times, next to each other I sincerely don't remember. I can assure this is a BtS 3.19 Standard Random Generated Fractal Map, which I did Not Open in the World Builder and I did Not Re-Roll (I mean it is just the First Random Generated Map). Actually I didn't even know about this apparently (from what you say) uncommon resource position before settling the City (since the Rice was in the Fog).

Can you please provide a link or confirm somehow about this being weird?

I, too, am continuously trying to learn. I have no link for you, but I have heard both of the following things, which can explain the discrepancy:
1. When a map is initially generated, you will not see two land-based Food Resources appearing next to each other
AND
2. When a capital is placed, some of the squares within the capital's fat cross get changed, which can include adding additional Food Resources if the existing amount of Food Resources and Flood Plains is a small amount

I don't know about the absolute truth of the first statement, but it is what I have heard a couple of players saying over the years. The second statement is true, but may vary in terms of its generosity between game versions.

So, it is likely that when the map was originally generated, only the Corn or the Rice was present, in terms of Food Resources, and then the game said "oh, we're putting a capital here, let's add an extra Food Resource."


BtS seems to often spawn you with a lot of Forested squares within your capital's big fat cross, so I wouldn't be surprised if some Forests get auto-generated, too.

People also talk about there being a Strategic Resource that can get added to a capital that otherwise would have had a small amount of Resources, often meaning a Copper, Iron, or Horse Resource.



I, too, would push for interrupting The Pyramids in order to build another Worker.

At first I thought that you had started to build them so early simply to try and use the "put a few Hammers into a Wonder in order to discourage AIs from building said Wonder" trick, but then you kept building them...

Of course, this "trick" may not actually work, and I question its validity, but there are people on the forums who do believe in its effectiveness.

 

[Um the Muse]

I, too, am continuously trying to learn. I have no link for you, but I have heard both of the following things, which can explain the discrepancy:
1. When a map is initially generated, you will not see two land-based Food Resources appearing next to each other
AND
2. When a capital is placed, some of the squares within the capital's fat cross get changed, which can include adding additional Food Resources if the existing amount of Food Resources and Flood Plains is a small amount

I don't know about the absolute truth of the first statement, but it is what I have heard a couple of players saying over the years. The second statement is true, but may vary in terms of its generosity between game versions.

So, it is likely that when the map was originally generated, only the Corn or the Rice was present, in terms of Food Resources, and then the game said "oh, we're putting a capital here, let's add an extra Food Resource."

BtS seems to often spawn you with a lot of Forested squares within your capital's big fat cross, so I wouldn't be surprised if some Forests get auto-generated, too.

People also talk about there being a Strategic Resource that can get added to a capital that otherwise would have had a small amount of Resources, often meaning a Copper, Iron, or Horse Resource.

I think that you're mostly right. A few changes: you won't find two different land-based food resources next to each other (this is obvious with certain calendar resources, such as sugar) except, as Barbertje pointed out, in very limited circumstances around your capital.

At first I thought that you had started to build them so early simply to try and use the "put a few Hammers into a Wonder in order to discourage AIs from building said Wonder" trick, but then you kept building them...

Of course, this "trick" may not actually work, and I question its validity, but there are people on the forums who do believe in its effectiveness

I don't know about wonders, but I have seen it work with getting both Hinduism and Buddhism. Normally, it is impossible to get both of them, but on Monarch level, I was able to get them both by partially researching one and then switching to the other. I forget which guide I used to pull this off, and I only tried it once.

As for infinitives:

Spoiler :

Infinitives are any unconjugated verbs. In English, they're most commonly used succeeding another verb: "I want to win." Because "want" describes the action "I" am taking, it is conjugated (even if it looks the same ), whereas "to win" further explains the want.
They are also used to form noun clauses, but this is unusual: "To speak is pain" is more normally written as "speaking is painful." The first one is more melodramatic, and means that the act of speaking is the same thing as feeling pain, whereas the second suggests that you've got a sore throat or something. 99 times out of ten, you're better off using the gerund than an infinitive as a noun.
Lymond brought up Spanish; do you speak Spanish? Here's an example of an infinitive in Spanish then: "Voy a nadar." En este ejemplo, el verbo "ir" es conjugado por el pronombre "yo." Al contrario, "nadar" no es conjugado porque explique "ir" en vez de explicar "yo."

My thoughts on capitalizing words:

Spoiler :

As for capitalizing keywords, I agree that it can be nice for specific game terms. That is what I meant when I mentioned that it's alright to use them for titles. Quotation marks, like what I've been using and you used on your latest post, work too. I would not use them for emphasis though. For emphasis, we commonly use bold, underline, italics, or SHOUTING in forums, but in a formal situation, only italics are really acceptable.

Finally, the differences between "go practice" and "go to practice"

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are a matter of semantics. Certain verbs are known as "helper verbs." These are verbs that can be used in front of regular verbs. The regular verb in this case is conjugated regularly and doesn't need the "to." For example, "I have practiced," "I am getting some food," and "I will eat tomorrow." Technically, what is happening is that you're using a different verb tense. You probably already know these tenses, but just in case: to have + past participle (a verb conjugated for the past tense) gives you the pluperfect, to be + present participle (a verb that ends in "ing") yields the present progressive and to will or to shall + Verb is the future tense.
That's why "go practice" is correct. "Go to practice," as Lymond (Iirc) said, uses the noun "practice," not the verb. In this case, the word "to" is used to link the verb "go" with the indirect object "practice." It was a very unfortunate example
Here's a link to help you learn.

 

[Freakz]

As much as I like to follow series, The "Greetings Yatta" thingy is really annoying the heck out of me , won't ask you to stop it but it would be nice
Also, Can you post a save please?

 

[GGracchus]

REX-ing is peaceful, as long as you don't DOW to do it. You can flip cities peacefully, right?

Sorry if I give you incorrect grammar advice, my grammar isn't perfect either.

 

[coanda]

More debate about infinitives in English!

Spoiler :

I'm not convinced that Um the Muses' explanation of "Go practice" is quite complete.
While there are such things as helper verbs, that doesn't explain this sentence; I think it's just English being evil. "Practice" in this case is acting as a gerund - it's the same sentence structure as if you told someone to "Go swim across the lake," and the same as in "Begin practicing" or "Stop swimming across the lake."

The unusual feature is that with every other verb I can think of, the gerund in English is the -ing form - "Consider practicing," "Stop reading," and so forth. That's even sometimes true for go - "Don't go running around with scissors or you'll poke your eye out." And you can always tell which one it's supposed to be - English is cruel and heartless, so whichever one logically ought to be correct will be incorrect.

• "Go practice" typically means "Leave here and begin practicing." Here, practice is a gerund.
• "Go practicing" typically means "Move about in a way that practices." "Practicing" is an adverbial gerundive here - one of the only adverbial gerundives in English, and it's not a common way of phrasing it. You're better off just using a clause - "Go while practicing" - but you can cut the "while" out if you really want to. The more common form of gerundives in English is as adjectives - sentences like "The running man is a thief."
• "Go to practice" typically means "leave here and go to the place where the practice is." Here practice is any noun form of "practice", which could be the gerundive or could be just a noun. You might say "I'll go to practice and pick up the kids" even though you have no intention of actually practicing yourself.

 

[lymond]

English is cruel and heartless

so true

@um - my Spanish is horrible even though I took 3 years of it, but surprisingly I understood most of your example. Thanks for pointing it out the example of infinitive use.

As a general note, all the English usage and grammar discussion is great stuff and I hope it helps you yatta. With that said, as a bloody American, I'm amazed, awed and a bit jealous at how well a lot of of the non-English folks around here do with their English. It's fantastic. I wish I took other languages like Spanish and French more seriously when I was of an age when my then spongy mind would have absorbed it all better.

greetings,

lymond

 

[yatta77]

Session 2, turn 73

turn 57: the "great wall" is built somewhere.
The worker is chopping few forests.

Spoiler :

turn 58: writing in, open borders with Mansa, next alphabet. Judaism was found somewhere.

Spoiler :

turn 63: Asoka (on a little workboat, can you see it?) joined the party. Open borders as well.
The worker keeps on chopping.

Spoiler :

turn 70: Mansa troops arrived too late, barbarian forces destryed my farms
The settler from Memphis after a (short) migration to north, founded Haliopolis.
both Heliopolis and Memphis are building Libraries.

Spoiler :

turn 73: Pyramids completed.

Spoiler :

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@Um the Muse, Dhoomstriker
Thanks with the "my map is standard" issue. Appreciated.

@GGracchus (see also spoiler)

REX-ing is peaceful, as long as you don't DOW to do it. You can flip cities peacefully, right?

Yes it is. Yes I can (I could actually, since I never did).
But it wouldn't fit this series: REX != Minimalism.

@Freakz

As much as I like to follow series, The "Greetings Yatta" thingy is really annoying the heck out of me , won't ask you to stop it but it would be nice

Finally someone blaming me for something different, unexpected, and new!
Ok, just for that, in this series, it will be done (I mean, it won't be done anymore, of course).

Also, Can you post a save please?

Not yet. When I finish with my game I'll post all the saves, including the initial one.
(@Um the Muse: You were right: obviously (in this sentence) "I" was needed! )

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Minimalist English Course, Chapter II

Spoiler :

@GGracchus

Sorry if I give you incorrect grammar advice, my grammar isn't perfect either.

Don't feel sorry. I guess that even Shakespeare would have his troubles speaking correctly in here.

@Um the Muse
If your link was a sarcastic answer to my fake link, you are a genius!
(if it was not, thanks, but you are taking my words a bit too much literally )

@coanda (including Um the Muse, lymond, GGracchus)

"Go practice" (...) "Practice" in this case is acting as a gerund - it's the same sentence structure as if you told someone to "Go swim across the lake," and the same as in "Begin practicing" or "Stop swimming across the lake."

I got it! Easier than REXing!
It is all about "go" being illogical. As building the pyramids without stone and industrious trait!
(just kidding/joking <- self-irony, not making fun of anybody, except me )

Seriously. It is clear (at least I hope).
With "go" before it, the following word (in this case "practice"):
- sometimes is without "-ing"
- sometimes is "-inged" (<- yatta neologism)
- sometimes is preceded by "to"
I guess it is all about practicing to pick the correct one. Thanks All

English is cruel and heartless,

Uhm... IMO surely less than the other languages mentioned!
With just a couple of tenses, and a lexicon of 20 verbs, you sound funny (as using "*writed" instead of "wrote" or "written"), but you can be easily understood. Speaking it correctly is another issue, of course. But that can be said for any other language as well.

 

[Freakz]

Egypt starts with agriculture yes? Is there any reason the Corn aren't farmed?

 

[yatta77]

Egypt starts with agriculture yes? Is there any reason the Corn aren't farmed?

turn 70 spoiler

 

[MarigoldRan]

Too peaceful....

On the other hand, Atilla is too bloody. I like the concept and all, but I go to war to boost my economy and razing capital holy cities just feels too awful to comprehend.

 

[GGracchus]

Mad's RPC does take the concept of war a little too far, dosen't it?

 

[yatta77]

Too peaceful....

On the other hand, Atilla is too bloody. I like the concept and all, but I go to war to boost my economy and razing capital holy cities just feels too awful to comprehend.

You are a better player that what I am then. I can only focus on one thing: either conquest (and mostly raze) or optimize (likely in peace).

For example: take this game vranasm posted yesterday:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10541305&postcount=16

open the file. I did. And I was (obviously) like: Wow! Impressive!

I opened few City Screens to study them, and I got an headache after the 5th or 6th.

I recognize his skills and his geniality: he is dominating and keeping under control any aspect of the game!
I understand this is the way the game is supposed to be played.
But I also know that I just can't handle that.
I guess that's the difference between me and a top (complete) player.

@vranasm, in case you still lurk in here:
I Officially Request You (in a Friendly manner ) to Join the Party in the Next Immortal University!
(off topic: @Habitus, @JesterFool: in a week, right? keep me updated!)

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More on the Infinitive issue, for the ones interested in it

Spoiler :

@lymond, Um the Muse, coanda

It is used as an object in the sentence and follows a verb, as in G's example "He likes to practice". However, although an object in this case, I would not call it a noun. "To practice" is still an action. Infinitives can also be used in the subject of a sentence, e.g., "To see is too believe". Infinitives are the base form of a verb like "ser" or "estar" in Spanish. However, I don't recall ever using the infinitive forms of verbs in Spanish in a sentence.

As for "Go practice". That is fine. "Go to practice" means something different and actually "practice" in this case is a noun. Ha...although you would "go to practice" in order to "go practice". Practice is both a noun and a verb. edit: Actually "Go practice" when heard would mean that someone was saying to go perform the action of practicing...say soccer (football). "Go to practice" when heard would mean that you would go to the place where soccer practice is held. Technically though "Go (to practice)" could mean the same as "Go practice" as I just described, but it would be considered very clunky, and an English speaker would not "hear" it as such, but rather how I just described "Go to practice" above.

are a matter of semantics. Certain verbs are known as "helper verbs." These are verbs that can be used in front of regular verbs. The regular verb in this case is conjugated regularly and doesn't need the "to." For example, "I have practiced," "I am getting some food," and "I will eat tomorrow." Technically, what is happening is that you're using a different verb tense. You probably already know these tenses, but just in case: to have + past participle (a verb conjugated for the past tense) gives you the pluperfect, to be + present participle (a verb that ends in "ing") yields the present progressive and to will or to shall + Verb is the future tense.
That's why "go practice" is correct. "Go to practice," as Lymond (Iirc) said, uses the noun "practice," not the verb. In this case, the word "to" is used to link the verb "go" with the indirect object "practice." It was a very unfortunate example

While there are such things as helper verbs, that doesn't explain this sentence; I think it's just English being evil. "Practice" in this case is acting as a gerund - it's the same sentence structure as if you told someone to "Go swim across the lake," and the same as in "Begin practicing" or "Stop swimming across the lake."

The unusual feature is that with every other verb I can think of, the gerund in English is the -ing form - "Consider practicing," "Stop reading," and so forth. That's even sometimes true for go - "Don't go running around with scissors or you'll poke your eye out." And you can always tell which one it's supposed to be - English is cruel and heartless, so whichever one logically ought to be correct will be incorrect.

Ok, after reading all this again this morning, with a fresher mind, I come up with few other examples

Go practice to get better (at it)
Go train in order to be able to win

or

You have to practice to get better (at it)
You have to train to win

are those sentences correct?

If so, I think I got it a bit. yatta!

In the first two cases* "practice" is _not_ an infinitive.
In the following two cases "(to) practice" _is_ an infinitive so it requires a "to" before it(self).

*(which may happen _only_ if the word "practice" is preceded by the helper verb "to go")

About what the word "practice" is in the first two cases I'm a bit confuse: _noun_ or _gerund_ (without -ing)?
No big deal of course, as long as I got the sentences syntax correctly.

@all: Reply only if you have some free time to spend and you like to discuss further the subject: I mean egoistically speaking I hope so, it is useful for me to know better, but I don't wish to be annoying keeping on this off-topic.
In any case: at all, thanks for your help so far! I learned something!

@Um the Muse:

Spoiler :

Thinking about my previous reply, I hope it didn't sound rude.

I just wanted to say (in a joking way ) that the link you posted was a bit too much an academical approach: I don't have like learning plans or deadlines, I'm happy just improving a bit the readability of my writings.

So far I'm fine with just the excellent explications and tips from you guys.

I mean, if someone find and error in my writings, and have some time to help, either dropping a couple of lines about it or giving a full explanation on the subject (as you excellently did), it is very useful, welcome and appreciated. That's it!

Please reply on this, I'm a bit worried I might have been a bit rude in my previous reply!

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I'll play a bit more today. I'll post about it later.

 

[vranasm]

@yatta

it was on noble... you can't take these games seriously. And I think I did poorly since I didn't MM cities at all :-D well except for build queue.

You should find immediately Oxfordless hatty game here on forums from iggy and look at HIS dates...
I think I played it at least twice. I am not sure with the second one, was pretty good, but still 1-2 centuries later.

I think for someone who mostly runs citizen manager I do good, but saying that it's impressive gameplay... really don't think so.

The real masters here are AbsoluteZero (he's my hero and moved me like no one else with his videos), Vicawoo, Kossin and some others (Obsolete btw too, but he posts so sparely and in a way too tough to understand...)

 

[yatta77]

@yatta

it was on noble... you can't take these games seriously. And I think I did poorly since I didn't MM cities at all :-D well except for build queue.

You should find immediately Oxfordless hatty game here on forums from iggy and look at HIS dates...
I think I played it at least twice. I am not sure with the second one, was pretty good, but still 1-2 centuries later.

I think for someone who mostly runs citizen manager I do good, but saying that it's impressive gameplay... really don't think so.

The real masters here are AbsoluteZero (he's my hero and moved me like no one else with his videos), Vicawoo, Kossin and some others (Obsolete btw too, but he posts so sparely and in a way too tough to understand...)

All true. But still impressive to me the simple idea of dealing with 32 cities.
And I arrogantly still believe you should join the next Immortal University.