Imperium OffTopicum XIV

[Ailedhoo]

We would understand Texarkhana's positions on slavery... our penal system can be more harsh than other nations I agree but it was our understanding more just than prison... and more productive.

As for our Caste System however we are simply following fact; that some people are better suited to higher positions than others. Should we allow the coward to join the army? The idiot to lead the nation? We allow the brave to join the army and the wise to lead the country. This is not a "inferior system" but rather a allowance of fact and justice, while Texarkana suffers from permitting the fool to be captain of the ship. We do not bow to morally and systematically weak standards.

As for slavery; we are not constructing the Olympic Games stadiums, ranges etch with slaves. We are also not happy that the government of Texarkana would politicise the Olympics. We hence declare that we open our borders fully to Texarkana citizens who wants to be in a system governed by justice as oppose to "fairness" and other idiocy. In Greece we will set the criminal to repent for the sins committed, not allow them for a break in a cell.

Ancient Greece practiced slavery and it was a beacon of philosophy and other wonders for the world, especially in math and politics. Athens may have been cursed when it was under a period of direct democracy (as Plato experience to his annoyance) but it did allow slavery in natural wisdom. That said we do not give slavery by birth, for we are not like that but rather in a systematic setting.

To relate slavery to our caste system though is to ignore the justice of our system, for equality is useless for the mob brings only discord while disciplined citizens bring justice.

In other news we would like to offer lucrative shipbuilding contracts to France as a counter to Texarkana's poor diplomatic policy. We also oppose any ideological state building Texarkana may have for Vietnam which would hinder Viennese independence.

 

[Mathalamus]

you know, this is starting to sound awfully familiar to me somehow...

 

[Sonereal]

We would understand Texarkhana's positions on slavery... our penal system can be more harsh than other nations I agree but it was our understanding more just than prison... and more productive.

Prisons are for rehabilitation, not slavery.

As for our Caste System however we are simply following fact; that some people are better suited to higher positions than others. Should we allow the coward to join the army? The idiot to lead the nation? We allow the brave to join the army and the wise to lead the country. This is not a "inferior system" but rather a allowance of fact and justice, while Texarkana suffers from permitting the fool to be captain of the ship. We do not bow to morally and systematically weak standards.

Does Texarkana not have a stronger military than Greece? Is our economy not more powerful? Is our political system not considered more stable and more prestigious?

Your arguments are flawed across the board.

As for slavery; we are not constructing the Olympic Games stadiums, ranges etch with slaves. We are also not happy that the government of Texarkana would politicise the Olympics. We hence declare that we open our borders fully to Texarkana citizens who wants to be in a system governed by justice as oppose to "fairness" and other idiocy. In Greece we will set the criminal to repent for the sins committed, not allow them for a break in a cell.

The people who you are using to build the Stadiums do so because other jobs are being worked by slaves. An economy worked by slaves, in effect, uses slave labor in all aspects of the economy because it is with slave labor you are able to devote any workers to the project.

No one is going to move to a country that is weaker, poorer, and that is only important because of it wants to host the Olympics.

Ancient Greece practiced slavery and it was a beacon of philosophy and other wonders for the world, especially in math and politics. Athens may have been cursed when it was under a period of direct democracy (as Plato experience to his annoyance) but it did allow slavery in natural wisdom. That said we do not give slavery by birth, for we are not like that but rather in a systematic setting.

You pathetic Greeks can't do anything but look at past glories to and try to pretend you people inherit the grandeur of the past. What have you done lately?

To relate slavery to our caste system though is to ignore the justice of our system, for equality is useless for the mob brings only discord while disciplined citizens bring justice.

Free labor and high social mobility looks like it is working in Texarkana.

In other news we would like to offer lucrative shipbuilding contracts to France as a counter to Texarkana's poor diplomatic policy.

France handed us the contracts because of our diplomatic ties with France prior to the contracts. This announcement does not come out of the vacuum. It has already been discussed days prior.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Prisons are for rehabilitation, not slavery.

As demonstrated by the criminals coming out to reoffend. YAY FOR THE SOFT TEXAN SYSTEM!

Does Texarkana not have a stronger military than Greece? Is our economy not more powerful? Is our political system not considered more stable and more prestigious?

Your arguments are flawed across the board.

Current position=/=justice.

OOC: especially as there had been some debate on the scales. See Patchy's commenter on the matter...

The people who you are using to build the Stadiums do so because other jobs are being worked by slaves. An economy worked by slaves, in effect, uses slave labor in all aspects of the economy because it is with slave labor you are able to devote any workers to the project.

The builders of the Worker Caste would like to have a word...

Also: please tell us our "slave" economy. We do not set slaves for a majority of our work; heck it is below a minority of our work. Slavery is a punishment to us, not a destiny.

No one is going to move to a country that is weaker, poorer, and that is only important because of it wants to host the Olympics.

Would you please learn to argue with civil notions?

You pathetic Greeks can't do anything but look at past glories to and try to pretend you people inherit the grandeur of the past. What have you done lately?

We have been reintroducing the glories of the just ideals. You Texans have only been causing trouble and your past glories are tied ironically to slavery (more so than we of the Platonic Republic!) and being on the losing side of a civil war.

Free labor and high social mobility looks like it is working in Texarkana.

It was Sparta that conquered Athens.

France handed us the contracts because of our diplomatic ties with France prior to the contracts. This announcement does not come out of the vacuum. It has already been discussed days prior.

...and we are offering France a chance to do trade with a fellow European power, especially one that helped forged a trade union in the Med.

Texas had not forged a trade union.

 

[Mathalamus]

the Roman Empire asks the platonic Republic to just cut it out.

You pathetic Greeks can't do anything but look at past glories to and try to pretend you people inherit the grandeur of the past.

Texarkanas, the Roman Empire is a nation of Rhomanoi Greeks. did you mean to offend us as well? mind you, in our opinion, Greeks reached its absolute height as the (Eastern) Roman Empire.

 

[Sonereal]

As demonstrated by the criminals coming out to reoffend. YAY FOR THE SOFT TEXAN SYSTEM!

[Citation Needed]

The builders of the Worker Caste would like to have a word...

Is the caste designed to rule really so inept it doesn't understand how slave economies work? It can't possibly be that daft.

Also: please tell us our "slave" economy. We do not set slaves for a majority of our work; heck it is below a minority of our work. Slavery is a punishment to us, not a destiny.

Slavery depresses the wages of a worker not just in Greece, but worldwide. An economy based on slavery, therefore, is detrimental to the world at large, hence our corrective tariffs and quotas.

Would you please learn to argue with civil notions?

There is nothing civil about a caste system or slavery.

We have been reintroducing the glories of the just ideals. You Texans have only been causing trouble and your past glories are tied ironically to slavery (more so than we of the Platonic Republic!) and being on the losing side of a civil war.

I care to disagree. The Platonic Republic, since its inception, has done nothing of note. Texarkana, meanwhile, has worked with several countries to help set up the framework of the United Nations (with no input from the Platonic Republic), put a stop to piracy in the Caribbean (no help from Greece), and is working to restore the Panama Canal (where we won't let your workers come due to slavery back home).

The Platonic Republic's achievements since its inceptions can be counted on one, mangled, hand.

It was Sparta that conquered Athens.

And both Sparta and Athens were conquered after that. And that country disintegrated. And so on and so on.

...and we are offering France a chance to do trade with a fellow European power, especially one that helped forged a trade union in the Med.

If Greece was removed from its own trade union, the trade stability of the union would not suffer.

Texas had not forged a trade union.

Diplomatic ties with the Platonic Republic are cut because they can't even bother to get our country's name right.

Texarkanas, the Roman Empire is a nation of Rhomanoi Greeks. did you mean to offend us as well? mind you, in our opinion, Greeks reached its absolute height as the (Eastern) Roman Empire.

You are Romans. Your nationality is Roman. When people talk about Rome, they say Roman armies and Roman economists and Roman government. "Greek" refers to the country in Greece.

OOC: Saying Greece in regards to the country of the Platonic Republic, which can be called Greece and Greek in shorthand.

 

[christos200]

You pathetic Greeks can't do anything but look at past glories to and try to pretend you people inherit the grandeur of the past. What have you done lately?

OOC: Must resist the urge to reply.......

 

[Ailedhoo]

the Roman Empire asks the platonic Republic to just cut it out.

Would you ask the Texans to do it too? Or is this your way of "being neutral?"

Rome need reminded that it must show strong leadership and to do that you must recognise when a nation is trying to undermine you like the Texans.

Texarkanas, the Roman Empire is a nation of Rhomanoi Greeks. did you mean to offend us as well? mind you, in our opinion, Greeks reached its absolute height as the (Eastern) Roman Empire.

We would purpose classical times instead but this does highlight the nature of the Platonic Republic and Rome; civilization.

[Citation Needed]

Also the response to your perception of our slavery; we set it for criminals. Yes we did threaten it in Vietnam but only as a deterrent to scare off attackers and for allowing us to reconstruct with better logistics. It is not the foundation of our economy.

Is the caste designed to rule really so inept it doesn't understand how slave economies work? It can't possibly be that daft.

If the Productive Caste were slaves then why are we not fancy ourselves as Sparta with just the Warrior Caste recognised as a Caste?

In the end we know more on slave economics, such as the slave economy of the American South...

Slavery depresses the wages of a worker not just in Greece, but worldwide. An economy based on slavery, therefore, is detrimental to the world at large, hence our corrective tariffs and quotas.

...and criminals repaying their debt to society is bad because? You do know that slavery is a practice not as a bastion of our economy but as a penal notion instead?

There is nothing civil about a caste system or slavery.

Again; we sympathise with the later (ours is just pragmatic setting) but the former is questionable. Why should the wise one be denied the position of power in flavour of a idiot that so happily had the wealth and birth rites to set themselves above others? See the presidential system of the now gone USA for a brilliant example of how wealth and populace mob rule are the dictation of democracy, not wisdom and justice.

I care to disagree. The Platonic Republic, since its inception, has done nothing of note. Texarkana, meanwhile, has worked with several countries to help set up the framework of the United Nations (with no input from the Platonic Republic), put a stop to piracy in the Caribbean (no help from Greece), and is working to restore the Panama Canal (where we won't let your workers come due to slavery back home).

We did not realise forming MECTU was "nothing of value," nor our offering for Panama Canal (denied because of your bias), our aid to the Suez Canal, our troops and medical aid in Vietnam and our Olympic resurrection.

The Platonic Republic's achievements since its inceptions can be counted on one, mangled, hand.

We are sorry you are illiterate in maths.

And both Sparta and Athens were conquered after that. And that country disintegrated. And so on and so on.

By the Romans, who so happenly used slaves, had a caste notion and was greatest under a tyrant that its republican days... alas.

If Greece was removed from its own trade union, the trade stability of the union would not suffer.

Yet a few criminals being forced to work would upset everybody says you...

Be consent in your economics child!

Diplomatic ties with the Platonic Republic are cut because they can't even bother to get our country's name right.

How mature.

You are Romans. Your nationality is Roman. When people talk about Rome, they say Roman armies and Roman economists and Roman government. "Greek" refers to the country in Greece.

Sorry to say but the Romans in Turkey consider themselves part Greek. You can blame the renaming of Byzantine...

OOC: Saying Greece in regards to the country of the Platonic Republic, which can be called Greece and Greek in shorthand.

OOC: which ignores what Math... says...

 

[Mathalamus]

Would you ask the Texans to do it too? Or is this your way of "being neutral?"

Rome need reminded that it must show strong leadership and to do that you must recognise when a nation is trying to undermine you like the Texans.

Texarkanas hasn't even done a single hostile thing to the Roman Empire in the history of ever. neither did the Roman Empire to them. to be frank, they are better friends with Rome than you are.

 

[Patchy]

OOC: The hell just happened when I went to sleep? Only you Ailed could get into two fights.

 

[Sonereal]

OOC: The hell just happened when I went to sleep? Only you Ailed could get into two fights.

OOC: Platonic Republics gets into a philosophical fight with Rhodesia. I see the Platonic Republic uses slave labor, so I declare Texarkana will boycott the Olympics, cue fighting.

This is separate from the other fight in the UN regarding the Platonic Republic wanting desperately to send somebody with the investigative team and getting angry that my resolution does not include them and going so far as to say my resolution is illegal because there was no vote on how the vote would be set up.

OOC: Must resist the urge to reply.......

OOC: You know I love you Christos. <3

 

[Ailedhoo]

OOC: The hell just happened when I went to sleep? Only you Ailed could get into two fights.

OOC: I also avoided said fight...

OOC: Platonic Republics gets into a philosophical fight with Rhodesia. I see the Platonic Republic uses slave labor, so I declare Texarkana will boycott the Olympics, cue fighting.

This is separate from the other fight in the UN regarding the Platonic Republic wanting desperately to send somebody with the investigative team and getting angry that my resolution does not include them and going so far as to say my resolution is illegal because there was no vote on how the vote would be set up.

OOC: I did not make it clear before the low extent of the slavery system in the Platonic Republic but I would remind Sonerael that Patchy can read and that he can see for himself the evidence on the Rhodes issue.

As for the UN: you seem to be dragging this into OOC. That is... rather unprofessional of you. Please keep to IC please. OCCing the issue is just, frankly, fun draining.

 

[Sonereal]

As for the UN: you seem to be dragging this into OOC. That is... rather unprofessional of you. Please keep to IC please. OCCing the issue is just, frankly, fun draining.

He asked a question in OOC. Why would I reply to it in IC?

OOC: I did not make it clear before the low extent of the slavery system in the Platonic Republic but I would remind Sonerael that Patchy can read and that he can see for himself the evidence on the Rhodes issue.

I don't think you know how economy works. I never said it was widespread. I said it existed and that it depresses wages. These ideas are so basic I'm not even sure they can be argued against on solid footing.

 

[Ailedhoo]

He asked a question in OOC. Why would I reply to it in IC?

Then place a IC in front so it is clear. IC is the default yes but after a OOC... not so clear.

I don't think you know how economy works. I never said it was widespread. I said it existed and that it depresses wages. These ideas are so basic I'm not even sure they can be argued against on solid footing.

OOC: now your making personnel remarks regarding my understanding of economics? And you forgot to place a OOC! As for depressed wages... did I say I OOC agree with slavery? No I am against it, though not for economic reasoning. Sadly though the Atlantic Slave Trade did make enough money to function for some time...

 

[Sonereal]

Then place a IC in front so it is clear. IC is the default yes but after a OOC... not so clear.

There were two OOC tags in that post because nothing about that post was IC.

OOC: now your making personnel remarks regarding my understanding of economics? And you forgot to place a OOC! As for depressed wages... did I say I OOC agree with slavery? No I am against it, though not for economic reasoning. Sadly though the Atlantic Slave Trade did make enough money to function for some time...

OOC: Yes, I am making personnel remarks regarding your understanding of economics. Your last statement saying, "Oh, but it isn't that widespread" implies that that it doesn't have a wider effect on your country and every other country.

No I am against it, though not for economic reasoning.

I don't even.

I'm just going to cut diplomatic ties off with your country because I am, and I am sure everybody else, am tired of the constant arguments you get into with other countries clogging up this thread and the SG. One in every four messages in this thread is from you. At least half my posts in this thread comes from arguing with you in some form or another.

 

[Ailedhoo]

OOC: Yes, I am making personnel remarks regarding your understanding of economics. Your last statement saying, "Oh, but it isn't that widespread" implies that that it doesn't have a wider effect on your country and every other country.

OCC: because clearly a international politics student does not know about systems.

I am sorry but I have note even build and then... the Atlantic Slave Trade...

I don't even.

OOC: my RL reasoning is moral... should I have placed that down?

I'm just going to cut diplomatic ties off with your country because I am, and I am sure everybody else, am tired of the constant arguments you get into with other countries clogging up this thread and the SG. One in every four messages in this thread is from you. At least half my posts in this thread comes from arguing with you in some form or another.

OOC: I presume this is still OOC so let go with it... my "constant arguments" are true a bit tiring, yes in line with Rome and Rhodes as with the whole pirate scandal, but you are not doing better here. You saying all should cut from me in OOC is also rather breaking of the IOT spirit and hence is not helping the game. If you want me to "improve" then please; look in the mirror so I can see how you will improve from your current situation.

I am arrogant. So it you. Will you too recognise your arrogance as I recognise my own now?

Once we done we will get back to IC, because frankly this is getting tiring and I hence fear a GM ruling...

 

[Patchy]

Soooo, lets drag this back to IC....

Al-Haq Breaking News!

The African League has decided on a plan to send a joint peacekeeping force to pacify North Vietnam.

More news can be found in the UN thread relatively soon.

 

[BSmith1068]

Moderator Action: Less OOC and more respecting/being nice to each other please.

 

[W|M]

The Platonic Republic glorifies its past yet it fails to remember that Greece was part of Rome, so it should logically annex itself into Rome.

Also, due to the discovery of slavery being openly practiced in the Platonic Republic, the Volgan Federation boycotts the Olympics.

 

[Mathalamus]

The Platonic Republic glorifies its past yet it fails to remember that Greece was part of Rome, so it should logically annex itself into Rome.

that was true, but the Emperor decided not to aggravate the Platonic Republic with this. Greece itself did see its absolute cultural heights during the Empire, though.