Imperium OffTopicum XIV

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Given I never CC'd anything to Robert, I sure as hell didn't write up a formal text to garnish RPoints.

well then, you have this turn, and the next, to formally apologize to the Roman Empire for its insults.

we dont care about your diplomatic moves towards the nearby countries, its what you said about Rome in that same time, that we do care about.

we do admit that parts of it is true, however, you did it wrong, insulting the Roman Empire, exaggerating the Empires woes, and greatly insulting the Emperor. we just pursued nukes because we felt like we had no choicebut to do so.
 
Question: If I have 4 claims, does it mean that I have 8 in total (4 plus this turn), or the 4 just refer to the claims this turn? Because in the stats it says some people have no claims.
Sorry of it is a bit noobish, ty in advance.
 
Question: If I have 4 claims, does it mean that I have 8 in total (4 plus this turn), or the 4 just refer to the claims this turn? Because in the stats it says some people have no claims.
Sorry of it is a bit noobish, ty in advance.

If I'm not mistaken, just the four. Some people don't have claims because you can't claim while at war.
 
well then, you have this turn, and the next, to formally apologize to the Roman Empire for its insults.
OK, OK, We're sorry the Roman Empire can't admit it's swimming way out of its depth. Oh wait, by 'its' you meant 'our', didn't'cha?

Respect is earned, not doled out like an election bribe. All the world has ever heard is Constantinople boasting of its alleged power, its supposed grandeur, but the past three years have done nothing to substantiate these claims. Quite the opposite: under Laskaris, Rome participated in the bloody suppression of Thessaloniki, nearly went to war with Greece over who had the larger codpiece, and then led virtually its entire army to suicide on the beaches of Taiwan, effectively castrating itself as an international player. Under Komnenos, it was willing to alienate all its neighbour states in favour of an idiotic and unenforceable capitulation to the un-government of Imperial Japan, insisted Constantinople was still in control seconds after it was forced to release its periphery territories as independent states, mused withdrawing from the United Nations because, and we quote: "no one even notices us anymore", and then had the gall to declare a nuclear programme despite witnessing the attempted mass murder of Cairo.

Who should apologize? Jerusalem, who has consistently honoured its international agreements, who has repeatedly worked within the global community to achieve positive change, and who has never deviated from its core principles even in the face of the most abhorrent atrocities in living memory? Or Constantinople, who will reverse course at a moment's notice, who will disavow the international community because it's the 'trendy' thing to do, who sees no hypocrisy in lusting after weapons of mass destruction at the exact same time it condemns their use, who cannot even properly read the terms of the treaties into which it enters, and who continues to waste collective world patience by insisting that its empty bluster be taken seriously?
 
the Roman Civilians almost universally hate the UAR, Russia and Rhodesia for their misinformation campaign.

The Roman civilian complaints against Rhodesia have been duly noted and thrown in the stack of paper along with other complaints made by Rome.
For the record, we don't let civilians of other nationalities not residing in Rhodesia influence our foreign policy.
 
Quite the opposite: under Laskaris, Rome participated in the bloody suppression of Thessaloniki,

Andreas laskaris condemned the Platonic republic for not trying to bypass the militia... but then, if an entire city rises up, how the hell do you capture it without them fighting to the last man?

nearly went to war with Greece over who had the larger codpiece

yeah... we regret that. we could have done it differently. either gone to war and annexed the Republic, never argued with them in the first place, as i already had all of turkey at that point, or a bunch of other ways.

and then led virtually its entire army to suicide on the beaches of Taiwan

Japan was a powerful Army, and its well known that Andreas forgot to order a bombardment of Japanese defenses, the diversionary strike was too small, and innumerable other mistakes.

we eventually determined, that even if a large scale bombardment was ordered, a smaller army was used, and invaded the island from the north and south, it still would have been a difficult fight, and probably resulted in its destruction anyway.

Under Komnenos, it was willing to alienate all its neighbour states in favour of an idiotic and unenforceable capitulation to the un-government of Imperial Japan,

we rescinded the embargo shortly after we realized that Japan cannot send a fleet there.

insisted Constantinople was still in control seconds after it was forced to release its periphery territories as independent states,

the biggest thing. you guys completely and utterly ignored the fact that the release was voluntary, the ministers of various component nations requested independence, so we gave it to them. if anything, it increased Roman power, because we no longer had to defend those territories, and we did it properly.

(but, we really should have made them vassals instead.)

here is the proof

please actually read it. cause im real tired of that argument.

mused withdrawing from the United Nations because, and we quote: "no one even notices us anymore",

that part is true. however, we chose to remain so that our voice is still heard. even if its laughed at.

and then had the gall to declare a nuclear programme despite witnessing the attempted mass murder of Cairo.

we arent stupid, though. we knew targeting civilian centers would be useless in a war... it was meant for tactical use only. and, we needed something fairly unique to defend ourselves with.

Who should apologize? Jerusalem, who has consistently honoured its international agreements, who has repeatedly worked within the global community to achieve positive change, and who has never deviated from its core principles even in the face of the most abhorrent atrocities in living memory? Or Constantinople, who will reverse course at a moment's notice, who will disavow the international community because it's the 'trendy' thing to do, who sees no hypocrisy in lusting after weapons of mass destruction at the exact same time it condemns their use, who cannot even properly read the terms of the treaties into which it enters, and who continues to waste collective world patience by insisting that its empty bluster be taken seriously?

well, obviously, its clear that we should apologize. but who do we apologize to? Rome has done no real obvious harm to anyone but themselves.

(OOC: and... that's just how i am. I'm rather indecisive and it painfully shows. improving it is slow work, since i had to contend with bad reputation. also, being a major power was obviously a bad choice.)
 
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we arent stupid, though. we knew targeting civilian centers would be useless in a war... it was meant for tactical use only. and, we needed something fairly unique to defend ourselves with.

I always find it amusing when people talk about nuclear weapons as being "tactical" as far as I'm aware there is nothing tactical whatsoever about a nuke.
 
OOC: Tactical use of nukes is to use it on an enemy army/fortress instead of a populated center.
 
Which is like using napalm to kill a mosquito.
 
Which is like using napalm to kill a mosquito.

maybe, but if you lower the yield to just one kiloton, and then build hundreds of them, its effective.

in fact, im pretty sure we can make explosives around that size without using uranium.
 
maybe, but if you lower the yield to just one kiloton, and then build hundreds of them, its effective.

in fact, im pretty sure we can make explosives around that size without using uranium.

Then why don't you just do that, and not have the international community on your behind.
 
Then why don't you just do that, and not have the international community on your behind.

money is better spent elsewhere, like continuing to build infrastructure, better education, better social programs, and improving the quality of the military, making it more defensively oriented.

read: we do not have a guided missile system, we are fairly sure Indonesia wont trade us for it, and its expensive to make one from scratch.
 
money is better spent elsewhere, like continuing to build infrastructure, better education, better social programs, and improving the quality of the military, making it more defensively oriented.

read: we do not have a guided missile system, we are fairly sure Indonesia wont trade us for it, and its expensive to make one from scratch.

So your going to fix that issue by making non guided tactical nuclear weapons, I dont follow how this is cheaper.
 
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