ImPolement thread

Yeekim said:
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I can't help but imagine a hobo who wears suit shoes with trackpants and leather coat with a heavy Slavic accent upon reading this. :goodjob:
 
I must say I like this guy - Karol Olbracht Habsburg-Lotaryński:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=515712&page=2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archduke_Karl_Albrecht_of_Austria

Archduke Karl Albrecht of Austria-Teschen (Karl Albrecht Nikolaus Leo Gratianus von Österreich, later Karl Albrecht Habsburg-Lothringen, since 1919 – Karol Olbracht Habsburg-Lotaryński; (Pula, 18 December 1888 – Östervik, nr. Stockholm, 17 March 1951).

He was an Austrian Archduke, the oldest son of Archduke Charles Stephen and Archduchess Maria Theresia, Princess of Tuscany.

He was Żywiec landowner, Officer Colonel of Artillery of both the Imperial (k.u.k.) Austro-Hungarian Army (on Horse) and the Polish Army, and the 1,175th Knight of the Order of the Golden Fleece in 1910, etc.[1]

In 1918 and again in 1939 he volunteered to the Polish Army. He fought in Polish–Soviet War.[2] In 1920 he commanded the Grudziądz Fortress. During German occupation of Poland, he declared Polish identity and refused to sign the Volksliste. He was imprisoned[2] in November 1939, kept in Cieszyn and tortured by Gestapo.[2] His wife was interned in Wisła. He left prison blind in one eye and half-paralyzed. In October 1942, Albrecht and his family were sent to a labor camp in Strausberg.[2] After liberation, he moved to Kraków and then to Sweden. His estate was confiscated in 1939 by the Nazis, and again in 1945 by the communists.[2]
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Simply a perfect example of a Polish patriot!

So many Germans make good Poles and good Polish patriots (another example was Friedrich Nietzsche :D).

BTW - the commander in chief of the defence of Warsaw and Modlin (Army "Warsaw") in 1939 was General Juliusz Rómmel.

He was a very distant, Polonized relative of Erwin Rommel. Also commander of the defence of Hel Peninsula in 1939 was Admiral Unrug:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Józef_Unrug

Józef Michał Hubert Unrug (German: Joseph von Unruh; 6 October 1884 – 28 February 1973) was a German-born Polish vice admiral who helped reestablish Poland's navy after World War I. During the opening stages of World War II, he served as the Polish Navy's commander.
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Another German-speaking guy who called himself Polish was Albrecht Hohenzollern - see below (last part):

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In mixed Polish-German areas, first language of a person not always corresponded to his or her national identity.

Many German-speakers identified as Poles or identified as Germans but loyal to Poland. Example is Mrs Elżbieta Zawacka, who was born in 1909 and in childhood - until she was 11 years old (1920 - when her city became part of Poland) - she spoke almost exclusively in German.

Of course she was a person with Polish ancestry, but a heavily Germanized one.

Mrs Zawacka still barely spoke any Polish when she was 11. In her memoirs she wrote, that she became Polish only at school:

"Teachers really could influence the young people. In fact, only during my school years I truly became Polish."

On the other hand, example of a person with German ancestry but Polish national identity in Toruń was Dr Otton Steinborn. He was Polonized already in his childhood by his Polish school classmates. Together with them he became member of "Filomaci" - a local top-secret association which was preparing to fight for independent Poland (that was in early 1900s). Later when he studied abroad in Berlin, he belonged to local Towarzystwo Naukowe Polaków.

Here is what Leon Janta-Połczyński wrote about Otton Steinborn, at that time still a student:

"Steinborn is a son of a German teacher, who is friendly towards Polish people and is upbringing his children in Polish patriotic spirit. Otton speaks Polish with perfect fluency and he wants to be a Pole. (...) a young force, which from foreign ranks wants to join our ranks."

Both examples quoted above - Zawacka and Steinborn - were people who lived in the city of Toruń (Thorn), which was heavily mixed.
 
Poland can into space!
 
I agree. But the perspective is probably confusing you.

Once you admit that Po-land can into space, the rest should become clear.
 
Yeekim said:
Two typos in one word... embarrassing :blush:
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Wasn't really directed towards you, I just pictured a certain... pronounciation.
 
This is what user Phouty from the USA wrote (in Polish of course) on Polish historycy.org forum:

In translation from Polish to English:

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Phouty said:
I will describe my own national case. Both the family of my mother and the family of my father, originally came from the region of Pomerania, so from the Kingdom of Prussia. Father's family from area of modern Koszalin (in Western Pomerania), mother's family from area of modern Bydgoszcz / Toruń.

My paternal great-grandfather emigrated in the 19th century to the USA. My grandfather was born in American in 1895, and my father was also born here in 1920, as de facto 3rd generation American person. But in 1922 my grandfather to return to the country of "origins" (my father was 2 years old then) and after returning he settled near Stettin (so we know, what country of "origins" I am talking about). But in 1928 grandfather bought an estate near Wegrów in the vicinity of Warsaw and moved there together with his family (I don't know what were the reasons of that international migration fro the USA to Weimar Germany and several years later to Poland). The family of my father (including his "American" siblings), lives near Warsaw until today, and they consider themselves as "pure Poles".

Family of my mother also consider themselves "purely Polish".

When it comes to me, on the other hand, even though I was born in Poland, I have always considered myself American and during the first occasion (and in Communist Poland those occasions were not so frequent), I returned to the country of my ancestors - to the USA.

But let me complicate the case even more! My present wife comes from Rybnik... She is an American citizen today, obviously, but she considers herself Polish. And this is despite the fact that parents of my wife lived for many years in Munich, because they had emigrated to Germany as "Germans". What is even funnier - grandfathers of my wife considered themselves as ethnic Polish Silesians, but her great-grandfathers considered themselves as "ethnically pure Germans"!
Paranoia!

But let me continue...

Adult daughter of my wife has lived for years in Great Britain (she has British citizenship), but she is married to an American citizen, so I have no idea, who my 6 years old grand daughter is going to be...

Son of my wife lives in Poland in Rybnik, and if you call him "Silesian", he is going to kick you out of his house! According to him, he is "totally Polish".

But this is not all!

My adult son - from my first marriage... also with a Polish woman, because we had emigrated together to the USA (...) lives in the USA, but he was born in... Hamburg!

(...)

My son considers himself American, just like me!

I have a sentiment for Poland, as a country of my childhood and youth, but I do not consider myself Polish.

However, my older sister who lives in Poland is totally Polish and doesn't want to visit the USA... but her brother lives here and considers himself Polish-American (he has double American and Polish citizenship, I have only American).

My paternal grandmother, never learned to speak Polish properly and I remember that when I was a small child, I was "afraid" of her, because it was hard to understand her (I talked to her later in English). She was native American, even though her roots were from England, specifically from Kent.

In my home, as children we talked to each other in Polish, even though parents demanded from us to "officially" talk in English from time to time.

Everyone will admit, that it would be hard to find a more complicated situation!

(...)

As you can see from my own example, issues concerning national identification, as well as issues of "ancestry", are more complicated in reality, than one would think.
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A video for people who understand Polish or German (German subtitles):


Link to video.
 
As you can see from my own example, issues concerning national identification, as well as issues of "ancestry", are more complicated in reality, than one would think.
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And, to boot, largely nonsense. (Not that I think the quote is nonsense. Just issues concerning national identification.)

One can, of course, be legitimately proud of being such and such a nationality. In the same way as one can be proud of being 6 foot 2 inches tall.


Link to video.
 
Disco Polo Śląskolo ! "Chyba, że kamrat z wojska spotko mie ... przy pifku zowsze nom sie śpiewać kce !" :D Jakby powiedział Pyzdra z "Janosika" do tego drugiego ... piknie .... "ale tobie wsyndzie piknie boś gupi !" xD j/k ;)
 
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