Important People In Western Civilization

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Stalin006 just started a discussion about the most important events in World History. I thought it was so much fun, how about discussing the most important people? So let's hear it... whom do you think most affected our way of life? The ideas I'd like to throw out are:
1. Constantine: Reunified the Roman Empire and made Christianity the standard religion of the western world.
2. Johannes Gutenberg: Movable type printing presses bring the written word into the hands of average people.
3. Galileo: Brought scientific enlightenment out of the dark ages.
4. Martin Luther: Reformed the Catholic Church, ending their stranglehold on European thought and politics.
5. Benjamin Franklin: If anyone singlehandedly won the American revolution, it was him. Started the ball rolling toward democratic government.
These are just my personal favorites, please don't be angry about the thousands of people I left out.
 
My favorites are:
Jesus, he seems like such a nice guy.
Darwin, made the western world sit up and think about things, instead of believing what they were told.(Galileo too)
Leonardo, made some very nice things to look at, and had other ideas.
And the guy that invented the toilet, thanks buddy.
 
Leo is my favorite historic person, he was good at everything. The idea of building a helicopter in the 16th century (I think). In modern era I think Lenin and the people who made the treaty of Versailles are strong candidates too.
In the whole history, I think Jesus is the most important. :)
 
Abe Lincoln. Saved the United States from falling apart. Best important person. If abe wern't around, I would be living in the CSA. The U.S. would be a whole lot different and probably not as strong as it is now.
 
I think old Ben is much more important; he didn't just aid in winning the revolution (saying he did it alone is a bit much - he'd have to share the credit with General Howe and General Burgoyne), but he also established in many ways what would be the American character and identity until the 1920s and 1930s.

R.III
 
Originally posted by gr8ful wes
And the guy that invented the toilet, thanks buddy.

How do you know that it was a western man(or woman) who invented the toilet?
 
His name was Crapper. (for real) Have you ever met an asian or african named Crapper?
 
Originally posted by gr8ful wes
His name was Crapper. (for real) Have you ever met an asian or african named Crapper?

well i didn´t knew, thanks for the information:p
 
Another great name for an inventer is, and I am not kiding, but the spelling might be off, Titsling, the inventer of the Bra.

Although in the grand scheme of things, he really was not that significant other than adding to the confusion and uncertainty of countless adolescant males.
 
Darwin for his theory that had huge social (and not just biological)implications also.
Marx with all the controversy around him.
Adam Smith for his economic theory.

As for the US debate I would give some credit to Samuel Adams, the absolutely main troublemaker in the Revolution. Without him it would have been something else.
 
Adam Smith and Jesus are both very good ideas that I hadn't thought of.
And I didn't mean to imply than Dr. Franklin won American independence all on his own. What I meant was that he was the most important founding father. He got the ball rolling, and secured the alliance with France, without which I'd be drinking tea and gossiping about Prince Charles right now.
And I'm a big fan of toilets, too. Bras, not so much. ;-)
 
Originally posted by gr8ful wes
His name was Crapper. (for real) Have you ever met an asian or african named Crapper?

He didn't invent the toilet. Disposal of human waste in our more modern ways was around long before the Crapper plumbing company.
 
Noam Chomsky.
 
Originally posted by AnarchyBoy
without which I'd be drinking tea and gossiping about Prince Charles right now.


excuse me i dont sit around drinkig tea i drink beer n i dont gossip bout prince charles i grunt when i nice lady walks pasy:p
 
Originally posted by gr8ful wes
Another great name for an inventer is, and I am not kiding, but the spelling might be off, Titsling, the inventer of the Bra.

That was totally made up for that Bette Middler movie. The bra as we know it was invented by New York socialite woman Mary Phelps Jacob in 1913. The fascinating story is available at:

http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa042597.htm

My vote for biggest influences, in historical order, are:



1. Buddha (Siddartha Gautama) - the first human to figure out how to turn his brain off and thus avoid the negative emotions associated with suffering.

2. Zoroaster (Zarathustra) - narrowed the gods down to one good and one bad, an idea that would flavor monotheism forever...

3. Socrates - got Western philosophy off the ground, more importantly was probably the world's first true individual.

4. Alexander the Great- the first attempt to unify the world. An inspiration for Euro Imperialists right up to Sid Meieir...

5. Jesus (Yoshua bin Youssef) - him or his messengers came up with the ultimate answer to Roman Imperialism, a movement based on compassion, equality, and love. It would be several centuries before the Romans figured out how to absorb this message and twist it back around to the usual "Kill everybody, let God sort them out".

6. Muhammad - at the time when Jesus' message was lost and the Empire in his name was collapsing to northern barbarians, God spoke again, choosing an older and wiser man to carry out the plan: unite the world, get them to speak one language and focus their energy to higher purpose. Of course this too got twisted around a bit but in the meantime the energetic movement he spawned would create Algebra, advance astronomy, and preserve the writings of Plato and Aristotle so that Europe could translate them out of Arabic and begin the renaissance.

7. Christopher Columbus - the man with the plan had no idea where he was really going and of course the Vikings had beaten him there long before but the determined Italio-Iberian was Johnny on the Spot in creating a change in world we will never see the likes of again.

8. Thomas Jefferson - a major player of the revolution and father of the constitution had his flaws but the New World he helped bring about was philosophically as big a change as what Columbus had done physically. Beware anyone who would tamper with what Jefferson dreamed up.

9. Thomas Edison - inspired by who knows what, Edison dreamt up item after item at the basis of modernity: electric lightbulbs, movies, sound recording, the list is endless and unlike Leonardo's Workshop, Edison's workshop actually took dreams into reality.

10. Adolf Hitler - this was a toss up and the only dark spot in the list. Like it or not, Hitler, the driver of WW2, did more to bring the world we live in thru its terrible birth pangs than any one other man. The last stand of barbarian tribalism that was the Third Reich spurred a war effort that led to the development of rocketry and the splitting of the atom, the end of colonialism and the onset of the cold war, the creation of the United Nations, the modern state of Israel, and the means for the United States to ascend to primacy. We would be wise to never forget this nefarious individual who seized leadership illegitamately by shouting down all opponents, consolidated his power by faking terrorism against his party and people, used his popularity to inflame the masses of his nation against outsiders, broke all treaties in a push for unilateral exercising of authority, unlawfully imprisoned and executed people on the basis of their ethnic origin, and ultimately brought down devastation on his land and its partitioning by its enemies for decades to come.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe


:eek:

You haven't abandoned your right-wing roots, have you?



Take it easy, Sharpie. The reason why I just wrote "Noam Chomsky" and nothing more, not even a :p or a :lol: , was my attempt to ridicule this SOB.

When I take office I'll personally schedule his public execution. :D :p
 
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