improper leader traits

[RobSoyka]

I think some leaders have improper traits or preferences ...

Mao Zedong
Philosophic - +100% Great people
Mao killed or banished nearly all of Chinas intelectual elite. 100% More Great people born? Yes, if his KI would kill them at once.
Industrial instead?

Napoleon
Prefered Civic: Representation
Napoleon reintroduced Monarchy by becoming emperor. How much power had Senate/People during his regency?
Mercantilism instead?

Frederic
Prefered Civic: Voting rights for all
Frederic the Great's prussia was an absolute monarchy. He was an enligted monarch, but he was a monarch. He never suported any democratic movement or philosophy.
Religious freedom instead - no question! He was the first monarch in european history, that did not care about the religion of his people. He invited the french hugenotten and other religious refugees.

Asoka
Prefered civic: Voting rights for all
Asoka was a monarch. No democracy at all.
Emancipation? He was kind of "enlighted". Compareable to frederic

Isabella
Prefered civic: Police state
Ever heard about the famous spanish police state under Isabella?
Organised religion or even theocracy would fit better

More?

 

[ongwin]

Well I have to agree with most of what you've said, but I think maybe the chinese Unique Unit could be the Red Guard?

 

[arcan]

There are always two ways to look at things:

I think some leaders have improper traits or preferences ...

Mao Zedong
Philosophic - +100% Great people
Mao killed or banished nearly all of Chinas intelectual elite. 100% More Great people born? Yes, if his KI would kill them at once.
Industrial instead?

Don't forget he wrote the "llittle red book" which IS his phylosophy

Napoleon
Prefered Civic: Representation
Napoleon reintroduced Monarchy by becoming emperor. How much power had Senate/People during his regency?
Mercantilism instead?

He's been president before emperor. And even during his reign as emperor, some classes were represented that had almost never been represented before. Mercantilism wouldn't do it.

Frederic
Prefered Civic: Voting rights for all
Frederic the Great's prussia was an absolute monarchy. He was an enligted monarch, but he was a monarch. He never suported any democratic movement or philosophy.
Religious freedom instead - no question! He was the first monarch in european history, that did not care about the religion of his people. He invited the french hugenotten and other religious refugees.

Don't know about him, except that he was the first to train an army properly with mexercises such as "walking" and so...

Asoka
Prefered civic: Voting rights for all
Asoka was a monarch. No democracy at all.
Emancipation? He was kind of "enlighted". Compareable to frederic

don't know him. But monarchy and democracy can live well together in the same land. They are two different matters. England is a democratic monarchy. China is a non-democratic republic...

So I guess that altogether, the choices are not that bad. Everything could be both worse and better. Moding is still there, in case...

 

[CyberChrist]

@RobSoyka: I agree, sadly then historical accuracy never seemed to be a top priority for the makers of CIV. Good post.

 

[Shadowblaze]

One must of course also keep in mind that they had to prioritize gameplay before historical accuracy (sp?) when it came to leader traits, in order to maximize the overall fun and strategy of the game.

 

[Lucky The Fox]

Well I have to agree with most of what you've said, but I think maybe the chinese Unique Unit could be the Red Guard?

Yes, a really fitting unit for a nation with long and colourful history.

 

[Martinus]

Asoka
Prefered civic: Voting rights for all
Asoka was a monarch. No democracy at all.
Emancipation? He was kind of "enlighted". Compareable to frederic

Actually I think he, as a representative of pre-democratic India, should have Caste System as India is the world renown Caste country.

 

[CivMonkeyTwo]

There are always two ways to look at things:

Don't know about him, except that he was the first to train an army properly with mexercises such as "walking" and so...

Definition: Mexercise

Intense physical activity undertaken while wearing a sombrero.



Sorry. I couldn't help myself.

 

[RobSoyka]

Intense physical activity undertaken while wearing a sombrero.

You forgot Eating tortillias at the same time...

@Aoska India = Caste country.
Yes, fits even better.

 

[Bast]

Frederick was atheist, so I agree with freedom of religion.

The only thing I disagree is Isabella. The inquisition was kinda like living in a police state. No?

 

[Ricochet]

The problem here is there are only so many world leaders in the game. Firaxis skipped on historic accuracy here so as to give us leaders with almost every combination of trait.

 

[arcan]

The problem here is there are only so many world leaders in the game. Firaxis skipped on historic accuracy here so as to give us leaders with almost every combination of trait.

That's the point. And the two missing are the two I wanted to play most (after Gandhi)

 

[Cironir]

Game balance should always have priority, I agree, but some of the traits are really counter-intuitive. Caesar should definitely (IMO) be "aggressive". I was sure he'd be, and I was quite floored when he wasn't.

 

[Rosscifer]

Bismarck advocated the divine right of kings for christs sake. Can anyone explain why the heck he favors representation?

Also Washington favoring universal sufferage and organized? The invisible hand of the market he favored wasn't organized. How about favors free markets and is philosophical or creative. He did help invisage a new nation after all.

 

[darkdude]

Game balance should always have priority, I agree, but some of the traits are really counter-intuitive. Caesar should definitely (IMO) be "aggressive". I was sure he'd be, and I was quite floored when he wasn't.

Well, I don't have the game at hand, but in the few games that I played with Caesar in it, he ALWAYS declared war on me, even if I 'helped' him with techs and I don't have a 'heathen' religion. So I think his diplomatic parameters are set very agressive (would have to check the XML to be sure). So maybe that helps to appreciate his agressive nature?

 

[Knightlancer]

I think some leaders have improper traits or preferences ...

Mao Zedong
Philosophic - +100% Great people
Mao killed or banished nearly all of Chinas intelectual elite. 100% More Great people born? Yes, if his KI would kill them at once.
Industrial instead?

Napoleon
Prefered Civic: Representation
Napoleon reintroduced Monarchy by becoming emperor. How much power had Senate/People during his regency?
Mercantilism instead?

Frederic
Prefered Civic: Voting rights for all
Frederic the Great's prussia was an absolute monarchy. He was an enligted monarch, but he was a monarch. He never suported any democratic movement or philosophy.
Religious freedom instead - no question! He was the first monarch in european history, that did not care about the religion of his people. He invited the french hugenotten and other religious refugees.

Asoka
Prefered civic: Voting rights for all
Asoka was a monarch. No democracy at all.
Emancipation? He was kind of "enlighted". Compareable to frederic

Isabella
Prefered civic: Police state
Ever heard about the famous spanish police state under Isabella?
Organised religion or even theocracy would fit better

More?

All of these are true but this is a game not a history sim.

 

[IATyco]

Well I have to agree with most of what you've said, but I think maybe the chinese Unique Unit could be the Red Guard?

The Red Guard was never a real military unit, contary to some misconception that they were some form of elite soldiers. The Red Guards are the name given to students organization during the cultural revolution that were inspired by Mao to attack the "four olds"(ideas, culture, customs and habits). Their actions includes destorying private homes and museums to rid China of "relics of the past", and persecuting people like teachers and politicans believed to be opponents of Mao and his philosophy. One could agure that the Red Guards was a force that was destructive to its own nation.

On-topic, I belive that traits were given to have almost all possible combination except some potentially over-powered ones.