Inappropriate Photos / Subjects (Moderators, please read)

[Jeratain]

What can't you post?
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this forum.

Okay, that's straightforward and clear.

Moderator Action: Pictures removed.
I can understand your anger in posting them, and and pictures are a powerful tool to express opinion, but CFC is a family site, photos of such graphic violence are a bit much.
I sugest that anyone who wants to see them PM Mario for the links, but please refrain from posting these kinds of images.
Thanks for your time.
AoA

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40963 That is a quote from this thread. The pictures within the thread were removed because they were violent and not appropriate considering this is a family site. Totally understandable.

Now, I was browsing through the forum, and I thought I'd check out a thread I've never looked at before, so I clicked on a thread called "Babe Thread VII - In Seventh Heaven." I saw that it was a bunch of pictures of like celebrities and so on. Then I scrolled onto the last page of that thread. And I came across pictures that are basically of pornographic material. Now, I ask of the viewers and AoA, isn't this inappropriate according to the rules? There are lots of semi-nude and nude photos that I think are very much in the category of pornography that are passing through this thread. I think that if this is a family forum, it should be stopped and/or cleaned up.

For those of you who would like to know what I'm referring to, feel free to check out the thread yourself. And if you don't see what I see, then try this photo (one I right clicked on from the thread to find the source):

WARNING: DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL

http://tuttotope.supereva.it/Immagini_big/Summer Altice/saltice18.jpg

And you can just read the top of page 4, along with what the posters are writing to get the idea: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39517&perpage=20&display=&pagenumber=4

Sorry if you guys think I'm being some sort of a party pooper because of this, but I feel that rules are rules. You can find porn on the other 90% of the net.

 

[napoleon526]

There are no totally nude photos in the Babe thread. It conforms to the standards of decency set down by the supreme court. No nipples, no genital areas revealed. This should be in Site Feedback BTW.

 

[The Troquelet]

Yes, but some of the posters don't even bother to convert the files to attachments, but post url-images. From porn websites. That means some 9-year old can just right click on the image and get to a directory of ALL photos in the directory most of which are NOT appropriate for CFC.

If you're going to post stuff like that at least convert it first please! This IS a site for a computer game... targetting the "geek teenage nerd" category.

 

[philippe]

So?They have to discover it someday.
Come on your not gonna cry for a nipple he?
Am i glad i dont live in America.
Guns buy them everywhere but a nipple?
Its almost apocalypsday when a kid sees a breast.
Be rational.They are not going to die from seeing a nipple.

 

[The Troquelet]

Ah, the Lowlands: realm of cheap marijuana and legalized prostitution Who needs the Bahamas.

Or is that only the Netherlands? Isn't your country following your great progressive Dutch brethren, Phillipe?

 

[Grisu]

since when are pictures of nearly nude (or even nude) women not engaged in sex pornography?

all the pics in these threads (at least those that weren't removed by the mods) are artful depictions of beautiful women which hast nothing to do with pornography (or for that matter sex)

I agree with troquelet on the url-linking issue though

 

[Grisu]

oh and as for kids seing nudity: kids see more nudity if they watch a showering gel commercial (or go to the beach) than by looking at a babe thread

 

[Jeratain]

Originally posted by philippe
So?They have to discover it someday.
Come on your not gonna cry for a nipple he?
Am i glad i dont live in America.
Guns buy them everywhere but a nipple?
Itsalmost apocalypsday when a kid sees a breast.
Be rational. They are not going to die from seeing a nipple.

What do guns have anything to do with pornography? I'm glad you don't live in America either because your perception of it is way off base. The rules of this site clearly state that we should not use these forums to post any materials that are sexually oriented. It's as simple as that.

I should clarify on my complaint. I don't mind the majority of the thread, as most of them are just pictures of women who are believed to be beautiful by the posters. But a few of those pictures are out of hand. The Troquelet also made an excellent point which I had not even thought of that kids could click on those links and find a whole directory.

 

[ZultanofZex]

I don't give a rats arse about the "morality" of nudity/pornography...but the links deal is quite real...especially for all of us surfing this site from servers you want to keep "clean"

 

[Grisu]

Originally posted by Jeratain
I should clarify on my complaint. I don't mind the majority of the thread, as most of them are just pictures of women who are believed to be beautiful by the posters. But a few of the pictures are out of hand.

ok, but the the proper thing to do would be to report the offending post to a mod (using the link at the bottom of the post). the mod will then decide whether or not this
post offends the rules and delete it if necessary (and warn or ban the poster).

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

I do have to say the pic is unacceptable. Not because of what the woman shows, but because of what is implied here. She is obviously naked - so even if she shows as much as she would in a bikini it is different. And the link issue is extremely important - upload the pics or let them be.


Anther thing is that this picture seems to come from a series - Playboy, hustler, or internet hardcore porn? I don't know, but doesn't that fact add another layer of sexuality to the entire thing? The woman was obviously there to have primarily sexually arousing --> pornographic pictures taken. This is a bit different from a 'normal' model!


The Troquelet: why is it that so many people here cannot resist making insulting cheap (and false) remarks about European countries instead of argueing the issues?

phillippe is a bit drastic in his comparison - but he is right about the double-standards concerning what is #safe' for kids in the US.

 

[bobgote]

yeah i think that pic steps over the edge a bit. babe threads are fine, but here they need to be kept clean. agree 100% Jeratain.

 

[Rodgers]

Wow, I'd got bored of the Babe threads lately but thanks to your link I'm off to check them out again in more detail. BTW If you think that stuff in the thread is the same as porn then you're buying some pretty crappy porn my friend - change your dealer, you can get MUCH better stuff, trust me

 

[Pongui]

Maybe the Babe Thread's new male counterpart - the Hunk Thread - gave it more legitimacy, and emboldened the contributors.

I like having a babe thread here at CFC. It's friendlier than any sites I've blundered into that focus on female beauty. If Off-Topic is a cafe, then the Babe Thread should be a glance at the street scene (or the beach prospect). Not the bathroom. Not the bedroom. Just what might be seen in a public place, which is what this site is. I have no problem with members and visitors ogling hunks and babes here. Personally, I'd rather less cheesecake - not because I think it's wrong but because it doesn't belong here.

 

[vonork]

I agree that the pictures are sexual, that's the purposes of them, then if they show a nipple or not does not really matter. It's ridiculous to say that a picture without nipples is not sexual. To have a legal definition that say so is humouring.

On the other hand I find it MORE ridiculous that kids can't se a picture with nipples, what damage could that do? And come on, do you believe that people that come here has not seen pictures like that. They obvious have the internet!

Now, I don't mind a codex for behaviour and would not like to get hardcore pictures presented here, it would get annoying. Also would not like to have kids see it.

But the problem here is that people are so focused on the nudity. A nipple is not dangerous, what you should be looking at if you want to keep the tone down is if the picture is sexual or not. If you focus on if you can se a breast or not then you are going to start to block breast cancer sites, or renaissance art, but allowed highly sexual pictures that don't show a nipple.

Now to define what is sexual is also something that can be hard. Cuz then you have to go on the moral you personally have. This can lead to that you can't post a picture on a woman’s face, cuz it is deemed sexual.

So to get around different peoples views you have to have some legal definition of what’s sexual. In the US that seam to be the nipple/crotch area. Anyone who remember how this post started, can se that I have gone around in my argument.

But this is the only way to administrate this, cuz the poster have to have something to go after when they post. Or it could all be left to the moderator to on his/her belief delete what's not proper, this leaving us with the “what’s moral” problem.

I however say you should look at the context. A nipple in a discussion about art, or beast cancer or something should be allowed. And sexual (with the purposes of arose) images should not; this if you want this forum to be clean of sexual pictures that is.

On the other hand you could say that most people that are here is at the age 11+ and have the internet, thus already have access to any hardcore pictures they want, making any regulation unnecessary.

I can however not see how the pictures in the forum could be harmful to anyone.

 

[col]

We have rules about what pics are acceptable which are clearly staed in thread and that pic breaks them - as simple as that.

What elevates the problem to a whole new (ahem) ball game is that the link to the pic takes you to a site where hard core porn is available. I do not think the TF would be happy with this at all. I do not find this acceptable in a Civ site.

 

[Darkness]

No offense intended, Jeratain, but I think you're overreactiong just a little bit! The picture just shows a beautiful woman (without any clothes on) but doesn't show any nipples or genital areas.

If you think this picture's too much, don't go visit the thread...

I do believe the links you mentioned (to the porn sites) should be removed. The people who post these picture should take care that no such links come with their pictures!!!

I, personally, have no problem with this picture. I do have a problem with the link!

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Darkness: I like the picture (though she isn't my type), but there's a lot of parents who wouldn't want their kids to see it. If we have these pics here, pics that are borderline - pornography, then these parents cannot let their kids coome here unsupervised - and that would be a pity.

 

[Darkness]

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
Darkness: I like the picture (though she isn't my type), but there's a lot of parents who wouldn't want their kids to see it. If we have these pics here, pics that are borderline - pornography, then these parents cannot let their kids coome here unsupervised - and that would be a pity.

If parents don't want their children to see this kind of pictures they should keep them of the internet. I do realize that ain't possible but it's also not possible for parents to allow their children to surf the net without coming across these kinds of pictures....

And I'm not a parent (thank God) but if I had children I would prefer for them to see that picture over half the movies on the Dutch TV. Violence and sex on TV are readily accessible to children, so this picture can't be really shocking, considering what kids can see on TV nowadays!

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Darkness: the parents can block URLs and let others available. So if we keep the babe threads civil they can let this URl be available. CFC should be porn-free - and this means defining porn as strictly as necessary for a wide majority.