I've answered you like a bunch of times on this
Incentives under communism?
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gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
It would save a lot of time for some posters (also readers) if instead of doing this idiotic Pol Pot nonsense they just said "hail Hitler" with their full chest.
Come on, lads, we know you've got it in you! Let me start: Hail...
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Careful there, you're approaching self-defined Holocaust revisionism.
Rather than focusing on oneself, one could also look at how many of their neighbors risk getting killed.
1 in 100? 1 in 10?
In this regard, Khmer Rouge are kind of hard to bypass.
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Not self-defined, this is a widely accepted form of holocaust revisionism as defined by scholars.
Cambodia was never a part of the Soviet Union.
This is not a very good attempt at an “own”.
Narz
keeping it real
The correct answer as to what you'd do under a murderous regime is to try and see the writing on the wall beforehand and gtfo w your family and try and help others from the outside.
It's easy to imagine being a hero when you've never missed a meal but the fact is most people are weak and will fold under even very mild pressure w/o violence behind it (see milgram experiment)
It's easy to imagine being a hero when you've never missed a meal but the fact is most people are weak and will fold under even very mild pressure w/o violence behind it (see milgram experiment)
Zardnaar
Deity
I earnt around double the minimum wage contract picking apples. You got paid by the bin. $25 a bin minimum wage was around $8 per hour. Can't remember the exchange rate in 2000/2001. Because of the heat usually started around 7am finished around 3 if it got really hot. Or super energetic nice day work 12 hours.
Old retired lawyer did around 2 bins a day. He was there for something to do.
Bad day I did around 3 bins, good day 5. My wife could do 2-3 the fast experienced pickers could do around double my rate. Free accommodation provided.
Bins look the same size as ones I did. Bins at 0:35 mark. Cherries were big money around Christmas, thinned apples, worked in pack house and canning line as well.
Basically worked the season, went back home town, took month off, worked McDonalds 6 months, quit when it go to hot, took another month off drinking, met wife went back for another season with her, then relocated here permanently.
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Yeah, I know.
But you brought it up for some reason, even though the fact that due to following with something any normal person would say you were suddenly engaging in "Holocaust revisionism" according to that logic should tell you everything you need to know about those "scholars".
Senethro
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"normal" people should not go around and (unintentionally?) say that the nazis weren't that bad really.
If they really are "normal" then they should accept correction. They don't get to say it just because someone is defining them as "normal".
If they really are "normal" then they should accept correction. They don't get to say it just because someone is defining them as "normal".
If comparing anyone with Stalin truly means "not that bad really" to someone, the problem is with that someone.
Akka
Moody old mage.
Comparing this thread to another one is kinda amusing.
The very same people who complained about "lack of nuance" while they were going into full-whattaboutism mode there, and were lamenting that other were supposedly not able to remember that they could both condemn Russia and USA, are now calling or validating the calling of "nazi sympathiser" for anyone who speak of the mass murder of communist regimes.
The lack of self-awareness has always been a staple of ideologues, but boy is the cognitive dissonance on display here.
The very same people who complained about "lack of nuance" while they were going into full-whattaboutism mode there, and were lamenting that other were supposedly not able to remember that they could both condemn Russia and USA, are now calling or validating the calling of "nazi sympathiser" for anyone who speak of the mass murder of communist regimes.
The lack of self-awareness has always been a staple of ideologues, but boy is the cognitive dissonance on display here.
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Zardnaar
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Stalin vs Hitlers regimes I woukd gave to think about. Hitlers regime only wins vs Mao and Pol Pot or similar regimes.
Also specifically said I would pick communist regimes over Hitlers. East Germany, USSR 56 onwards, Czechoslovakia etc.
Basically what regime is less likely to murder me or my family and friends. After that least autocratic.
These days Vietnam would be near the top, Saudi Arabia and North Korea on the bottom.
Senethro
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How else should we interpret "normal" people unreservedly declaring they'd rather live in a nazi regime?
Akka
Moody old mage.
According to some, that means you're a nazi collaborationist supporter that wants to shout "heil Hitler" and condone the genocide of your neighbours. And that you lack nuance.
For the record, when I was talking about "what any normal person would say" I meant NinjaCow saying he does not prefer one to another, would not want to live under either and would not collaborate with either.
You mean the one where I'm literally arguing over a difference in opinion with Czreth? That thread?
It's funny how much of a hive mind you think goes on, that you have to dig up other threads to try and go LOOK MOM, THE EVIL COMMUNISTS ARE AT IT AGAIN, when all you're doing is flat-out demonstrating yes, you are incapable of nuance. "yes let's pick a page that opens with Gorbles and Czreth disagreeing, that'll show 'em".
My rule of thumb is simple. Anyone who goes on about "ideologues", or agrees with that kind of content, is invariably one themselves. Traditionally they see themselves as apolitical, but, uh, lol.
Senethro
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There is definitely a nuance famine if people think that asking a gotcha question where the options amount to "are you worse than hitler or do you like hitler?" is useful
Zardnaar
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Zardnaar
Deity
Wasn't a gotcha question more how bad does you're regime have to be where picking Hitler is a sane choice.
It's not exactly a hypothetical some people made that decision for whatever reason in the war years.
Stalin rolled in and purged your people hmmnn.
Broadly speaking I'm mostly social Democrat with realpolitik views eg maintaininh a decent armed forces is more like an insurance policy. Tax rich more make poor peoples lives easier.
I don't have all the answers and in most elections you need to water down your ideals to appeal to the middle to win elections. 10-20 years not so much right here right now to many boomers.
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