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[Perfectionist]

To The Holy Celtic Empire
From Svearland

We are Vikings but not of the sort you have seen before. We do not raid. By your very arguments if all vikings were to raid, then denmark you ally would also raid. If this is the case, why do you ally with them and condemn me. It is because we do not raid.

Vikings are by definition raiders. It is not possible to be a viking without raiding. The Danes are not vikings, because they do not raid. They are, however, a Nordic people. It is difficult for us to believe that you desire peace when you define your country as a raiding country. If you desire to establish a new country, we suggest that you choose a label that is not inextricably bound to the old ways.

We will repsect Danish independence given these circumstances but remain convinced the unfication of the Viking peoples is the best course possible. Svearland will not turn back in Norway even if the Holy Celtic Empire who although is not party to the conflict persumes it can impose its will on those who have shed the blood and sweat for the cause that is righteous. No matter how holy they purport themselves to be the Celtic Empire will not impose its will on the court of Svearland.

How is your cause righteous, pray tell? England and Scotland may have had grievances, but your war seems, to the impartial observer, to be a simple land grab. We are sure, however, that there are deeper motives at work, and we would be happy if you would explain them. As to our motives, we are not seeking to impose our will on anyone. The Holy Celtic Empire is the defender of Trinitism, and it distresses us to see Trinitists spilling each others blood. No other party seemed willing or able to bring an end to the bloodshed, so we made an attempt. If you have a peace proposal, we would like to see it.

 

[Sheep]

To Holy Celtic Empire
From Svearland

Keep your noses out of our buisness vis-a-vis Norway and we will respect Denmark and enshrine that respect on a treaty between Sveraland, the Holy Celtic Empire and Denmark itself.

 

[Perfectionist]

FROM: The Holy Celtic Empire
TO: Svearland

Very well. We shall keep our nose out of Scandinavian affairs. In return, you will confine yourself to Scandinavian affairs. We will not interfere with any internal Svearish politics, or with your relations with other Scandinavians. Any Svearish raids on any Trinitist nation will be taken as an act of aggression against the Holy Celtic Empire, and the Viking Defensive Coalition. Any Svearish presence south of the Baltic will be taken as an act of aggression against the Holy Celtic Empire. Any Svearish interference with the affairs of any nation outside of Scandinavia will be taken as an act of aggression agains the Holy Celtic Empire. Since you want to build a nation of brothers, you will allow any Norwegians who do not wish to be ruled by you to leave for Denmark. Do you agree?

 

[Sheep]

To Holy Celtic Empire
From Svearland

The tone of your letter suggests you do not wish to to do buisness with Svearland. We will not be limited in our foreign policy nor we will be limited in any economic or military affairs. Any attempts on behalf of the Holy Celtic Empire to deny Svearland's rightful place in the sun for its own benefit will result in war. Do you agree?

 

[Perfectionist]

Now perhaps you understand how we interpreted your demand that we "keep your noses out of our business". Let us be clear: you requested that we not do business with you. The price of our non-interference with you is your non-interference with us. You do not want us to deal with you, or anything in your sphere of interest, and in exchange we expect you to refrain from dealing with us, or anything in our sphere of interest.

 

[Sheep]

However the Celtic Empire persumes to claim things outside its sphere of influence its own and thus we will not tolerate such restrictions.

 

[Perfectionist]

And who are you to tell us where our interests lie? The Holy Celtic Empire is the protector of the faith. Our interests lie everywhere there are Trinitists. We are willing to refrain from interfering, as you call it, in Scandinavia, but we will not abandon our duties elsewhere. And if we are to curtail our actions based on your sphere of interest, we expect you to do the same.

 

[Sheep]

And neither will we. Svearland can either be a partner to the Celtic Empire or it can be an enemy. We hope that you choose to treat as a partner instead.

 

[Perfectionist]

We have never desired to be an enemy of Svearland. We desire only friendship between Trinitists, but you seem determined to thwart that goal. You have behaved arrogantly at every juncture. We proposed a peace, and you rejected it out of hand. You have demanded that we bow to your wishes while offering us nothing, you have made a series of veiled threats, and you have presumed to consider your interests equal to the Empire's. If you want to be our partner, we suggest that you be more flexible.

 

[Sheep]

And we suggest you try not to dictate terms to partners.

 

[Perfectionist]

We were not dictating terms. Our proposal was intended to be a starting point for negotiation.

 

[Sheep]

We feel that so long as you look the other way in the Norwegian case, we might even consider joining an alliance with the Holy Celtic Empire, so long as they were not to restrict our diplomatic or trading efforts, nor any future plans to expand in Scandinavia or the Baltic Sea.

 

[Imago]

You know what Imago, I dont care... The very fact that you continusly lose my orders (I found the previous order set) doesnt bode well. Favouritism in this case it is!

You did send them...well after both the deadline and the point in time I had finished your section of the update. But it seems you're enjoying youself with Svearland, so I suppose it matters little.

I said i'm sorry.

That was more of a veiled compliment to you, if anything. That turn you got invaded, initaly, at least, things must not have looked all that good for Parhae.

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To: Holy Celtic Empire, Iberia
From: Italia

We accept the trade agreement.

 

[The Major]

To: Holy Celtic Empire
From: Scotland

What does the Hce think gives it the right to even be a part of these negotiations. We fully support Svearland on this issue.

 

[Perfectionist]

To: Holy Celtic Empire
From: Scotland

What does the Hce think gives it the right to even be a part of these negotiations. We fully support Svearland on this issue.

As we have stated time and again, we are the defenders of Trinitism. We have a right to be involved in any dispute involving Trinitists. We thought that the purpose of this war was to bring an end to the Norwegian raids. We supported the war based on that assumption, and our treaty would have guaranteed an end to the raids. For our efforts to bring peace, we have met with condemnation and we have not seen any other proposal for peace. Indeed, there would be no negotiations if we had not started them. This has led us to believe that we were mistaken, and that this war is nothing but a cynical attempt to dismember Norway. In that case, we wash our hands of the whole affair. You may do as you please with Norway, but we strongly condemn your actions, and those of Svearland, and we ask that the Church do the same. And when Svearland does as they have promised, and renews the viking tradition, you will have no one but yourselves to blame and we will not aid you.

 

[jeps]

Computer messed up post.

 

[The Major]

From: Scotland
To: Ireland

Our celtic peoples have been split for far too long in our minds, we propose a peaceful our union under the banner of the Northern Celtic Empire.

 

[Luckymoose]

perfectionist i am writing orders if there is anything i need to know pm me it.

 

[Sheep]

To the 'Holy' Celtic Empire
From Greater Svearland

You show continued arrogance towards us and our neigbours in relation to Norway and other regional affairs. You may of proclaimed thyself the protector of Trinitism but that does not mean all Trinists will readily bow down to your dictates. Your continued hostile diplomactic language causes more divisions than anything else at the current time and your efforts to have the Church condemn Svearland after your own personal condemnation is noted as a clear sign that you are not to be trusted.

 

[Perfectionist]

To the 'Holy' Celtic Empire
From Greater Svearland

You show continued arrogance towards us and our neigbours in relation to Norway and other regional affairs. You may of proclaimed thyself the protector of Trinitism but that does not mean all Trinists will readily bow down to your dictates. Your continued hostile diplomactic language causes more divisions than anything else at the current time and your efforts to have the Church condemn Svearland after your own personal condemnation is noted as a clear sign that you are not to be trusted.

We never proclaimed ourself the protector of Trinitism. The High Priests proclaimed us the defender of Trinitism. Do you want to argue with the will of the Trinity's vicars on earth? As to your other points, we will withdraw our condemnation if you will explain the reasoning behind your attack on Norway and insistence that the war continue. Without explanation, we are forced to consider it unwarranted aggression against fellow Trinitists, leaving us no choice but to condemn you.

OOC: Why are you people writing orders so soon? The deadline isn't until the week after next.