Interesting article from Pravda... yes I read that sometimes too...

[kochman]

I don't care that much if the Tea Party wants to load on assault weapons. Honestly, a bunch of weirdos out in Nevada do not represent much of a public safety threat.

That assertion rings pretty hallow to anybody who lives in a big city. I'd love to keep handguns out of the hands of the Vice Lords and Latin Kings. That has nothing to do with ideology, and it has everything to do with who is shooting people!

That's what this debate ought to be about. Not the dozen or so people who die in random suburban white people shootings, but the hundreds and hundreds who die from gun violence in our cities.

How do you keep the guns out of the hands of the Latin Kings? Certainly not by limiting the lawful purchase of them... we can't even keep the drugs away from them, illegal drugs...
Smuggling will always occur... someone will always provide Americans with what we want, because we give them money for it in return.

 

[WindFish]

Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar.

I guess that disproves the theory that gun ownership makes you free.

 

[dutchfire]

I didn't know Pravda still exists.

 

[kochman]

I guess that disproves the theory that gun ownership makes you free.

It's called sarcasm... it's very subtle in that article, but I'm sure you can pick it out...
In that case the freedom went from bad to worse...

 

[Lone Wolf]

What happened to Pravda by the way ? I was aware that it still exists, but I didn't know it made an ideological 180.

Pravda.ru site isn't really a heir of the Soviet newspaper, though it was founded by some journalists who worked in Soviet "Pravda"back in the days. It's just a sensationalist tabloid that likes everything anti-American.

There's also a paper newspaper named "Pravda". It is printed by the CPRF and has no relation to the pravda.ru website.

This article, BTW, is hilarious. Here's what it has to say about the Russian Civil War:

If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Oh, and this:

Global warming, the tool of the West

 

[Core Imposter]

Nothing like the views of a white Russian to make authoritarian right wing Americans seem quite moderate by comparison.

Racist joke, idk?

 

[Core Imposter]

I don't care that much if the Tea Party wants to load on assault weapons. Honestly, a bunch of weirdos out in Nevada do not represent much of a public safety threat.

That assertion rings pretty hallow to anybody who lives in a big city. I'd love to keep handguns out of the hands of the Vice Lords and Latin Kings. That has nothing to do with ideology, and it has everything to do with who is shooting people!

That's what this debate ought to be about. Not the dozen or so people who die in random suburban white people shootings, but the hundreds and hundreds who die from gun violence in our cities.

+1

-1 for the weirdo crack but at least you're treading water here...

Edit: -1 for the evident distain for dead white babies (would that get by a proper editor?)

 

[TomYo689]

I thought pravda was a fashion brand lol

 

[Gucumatz]

... Really? All I can say to this.

 

[Core Imposter]

I guess that disproves the theory that gun ownership makes you free.

Well, they are no longer ruled by the Tsar are they?

 

[Save_Ferris]

This is partially true. A lot of people personally own guns but don't trust anyone else with them.

 

[cav scout]

@Loreth- So how does a monopoly on violence equate to to an object like a gun?

A state might have a monopoly on violence but it certainly can't have a monopoly on potential violence.

 

[Agent327]

I have no idea how to seriously comment here, other than:

Mr kochman, how many gun threads you think you are in need of?

 

[Leoreth]

Pravda.ru site isn't really a heir of the Soviet newspaper, though it was founded by some journalists who worked in Soviet "Pravda"back in the days. It's just a sensationalist tabloid that likes everything anti-American.

Does the fact that Pravda embraced gun ownership rights mean that gun ownership is anti-American?

Edit: -1 for the evident distain for dead white babies (would that get by a proper editor?)

See, it's the old racist "pointing out racism is racist" shtick.

@Loreth- So how does a monopoly on violence equate to to an object like a gun?

A state might have a monopoly on violence but it certainly can't have a monopoly on potential violence.

What is a "monopoly on potential violence"?

In case I haven't been clear, the monopoly of violence doesn't mean that nobody should be allowed to own weapons. It just means that this whole paranoia about tyrannical power grab conspiracies misses the point entirely.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Racist joke, idk?

Don't tell me you have never heard of the White movement, which doesn't have anything to do with race?

They want to return to the days of Tsarist rule. They are vehemently anti-socialist, extremely right-wing, and extremely authoritarian.

 

[downtown]

How do you keep the guns out of the hands of the Latin Kings? Certainly not by limiting the lawful purchase of them... we can't even keep the drugs away from them, illegal drugs...
Smuggling will always occur... someone will always provide Americans with what we want, because we give them money for it in return.

The guns that Chicago gangbangers obtain are usually purchased "legally". Straw buys are apparently a major way for groups to illegally get their firearms...they'll pay some dude 100-200 bucks to buy a gun for them.

There isn't a way to bring down illegal guns to zero, but I am convinced there are ways for laws and the police to shrink that number by cutting off the non-burglary ways for gangs to obtain them. If that means some suburban or rural guys have to wait a little longer or bring more cards or something, that's a trade I'm willing to make 10/10 times.

+1

-1 for the weirdo crack but at least you're treading water here...

Edit: -1 for the evident distain for dead white babies (would that get by a proper editor?)

I don't have disdain for them, it's obviously a horrible tragedy. I just think it's not productive to use those events to frame our policy choices. "Assault Weapons" are not what kills so many people each year. Chicago alone had 441 shooting deaths in 2012. Those weren't from high capacity magazines on Bushmasters. Spending all this energy and political capital on products that wouldn't really change things feels like a waste to me.

 

[WindFish]

Well, they are no longer ruled by the Tsar are they?

They stated that Tsarist Russia was a bastion of freedom because guns.

 

[Leoreth]

Now I'm interested, how much of a role did private gun ownership play in the October Revolution?

 

[WindFish]

Now I'm interested, how much of a role did private gun ownership play in the October Revolution?

Not much according to some research I just did.

Most of the drive for Red October came from Deserted Soldiers who used Gubbermint arms

 

[Agent327]

They stated that Tsarist Russia was a bastion of freedom because guns.

Only two wrongs in one sentence then.