Internet privacy, security, age restrictions, VPNs and backups

How have you reacted to internet restrictions

  • I have gone decentralised ages ago

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Samson

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From the UK it looks like the internet has changed. You now need to dox yourself to interact with a significant proportion of the internet. The rules are different all over the world, from California to Utah, the UK to China.

I think this site is almost unique in how safe it is from this problem. Its longstanding and effective child safe policy seems to protect it from the UK law at least. I how this means we can talk freely about this issue.

There are multiple sites tracking this, here is one.

The easiest step is a VPN. Here is a review, but they seem to be missing prices. Proton has a free tier, and that is important in that anyone can access the information they need safety. Almost uniquely among free VPNs I would expect my data to be reasonably safe, rather than the many scammy ones. The browser Opera also offer a free tier, and while I do not trust them like I do Proton it could be not a scam. If you know anything about trustworthy free VPNs that would be great to share.

These are the prices for the cheapest per month offering for the three in that article and the one I am with, PIA:

- Proton $4.99/month for a 2 year contract
- Mullvad $5.74/month flat rate
- IVPN $3.89/month for a 3 year contract
- PIA $2.03/month for a 3 1/4 year contract

As I say I am with PIA, they seem OK but google really do not like them and I think cloudflare may have their risk turned up to 11.

A question is how to pay. I use crypto, and Mullvad and IVPN accept monero which is perfect, fairly good anonymity and trivial transfer fees. PIA only accepts bitcoin as cryto payments, which is less private and the fees are higher, but at about $1 on a $65 purchase it is not awful and still by far the cheapest. Some may not like this option, and they offer cash and giftcard payments, but I do not know how they work.

Another question is what do you do with IP6? I have never quite figured it out, and I do not think PIA supports IP6 so I just turn it off in my VPN startup script. I do not actually see the harm in just turning off IP6, but I do always accept a certain proportion of sites to fail so perhaps I am just not noticing the problem. If anyone actually understands this and knows how best to handle it I would love to know.

Another solution is to go decentralised. The fediverse, of which mastadon is probably the easiest entrypoint, you need to choose a server, it does not matter much which you choose, and you are on with no verification. There are verification scams to be aware of, but the only way to validate yourself is prove ownership of a web site or something. I think it is great, but it is pretty far left from my point of view so perhaps not everyone will find it so like home, but perhaps it looks different from different servers, there may be a home for anyone there.

I suppose there is the option of uploading your personal data to the internet. This is preaking what has always been one of the most important rules that started with usenet. In this day and age of financial fraud and deep fake videos the idea of uploading government ID and / or facial scans seems madness. Horrible as it is for those involved, the tea hack could not have come at a more appropriate time to make sure everyone knows the risks of doing that.

The EU have suggested a solution that has a requirement that you use google or apples walled garden. I guess it is marginally less likely to end up with your data on the dark web, though very far from zero, it allows an unprecedented level of surveillance that I hope trump is apply demonstrating the danger of.

I would love to here the point of view of someone who thinks differently in this matter.

A big thing it not to be held hostage by any one site. We have recently had stories about people being locked out for example google docs or instagram for unknown unappealable reasons and being left hanging.

Backing up these things is very important. There are ways to do google docs through their interface, and there are tools to automate it.

How to deal with it in other places where the primary contact is the in site usernames. I do not use big social media, so I have not looked at it but it does makeme wonder how we wouldkeepincontact if this place went down. I do not have an anser, but one way would be generate an onion address and make that know

An answer that quite attracts me is to generate an onion address and post it on my profile here where it would get caught by the wayback machine. That would mean that whatever happened here I would be able to spin up a way for people to be able to contact me, but I would only need to backup buck up the key until I needed it. It takes 8.5 hours for one starting with the six characters of my username here, I may well give that a try just to see how it works.

What are your thoughts on any of this stuff?
 
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I also live in the UK and I think your concerns are good ones. I choose not to upload my details (I haven’t encountered a site yet that has made this an issue). But I don’t like the step into increased tracking and / or security risks it presents.

On the other hand, I would be interested in what alternative proposals would lead to children not being able to access unsavory content (asides from leaving it to the parents, which would probably be my go to!).
 
On the other hand, I would be interested in what alternative proposals would lead to children not being able to access unsavory content (asides from leaving it to the parents, which would probably be my go to!).
I think the government could have made it easy for the parents before they put this in. The technologies for third party monitoring and control of IT devices are mature and used by many companies to control what their staff do with company devices. Either through releasing an open source solution (yeah right) or forcing the phone makers and / or networks to provide this tech in a consumer usable format it should be easy for parents to control their childrens device use. If they wanted to solve the problem that would have both been more effective and far less damaging.
 
On the other hand, I would be interested in what alternative proposals would lead to children not being able to access unsavory content (asides from leaving it to the parents, which would probably be my go to!).
My school used internet screening software in the mid to late 90s. And home versions were available back then too.
 
I think the government could have made it easy for the parents before they put this in. The technologies for third party monitoring and control of IT devices are mature and used by many companies to control what their staff do with company devices. Either through releasing an open source solution (yeah right) or forcing the phone makers and / or networks to provide this tech in a consumer usable format it should be easy for parents to control their childrens device use. If they wanted to solve the problem that would have both been more effective and far less damaging.
It's more like thier target not the childrens
 
We have age restrictions for some sites. Minimum age 21 to bet on sports, so I had to confirm my identity to register with those. I assume the same goes for ordering alcohol online but I quit drinking for health reasons so I haven't seen it personally.

That covers the only restrictions that affect anything I would want to use.
 
Except for IPTVs which I don't use since I am part of the "Go Sports" tribe that nods and smiles nervously without breaking eye contact with the new acquaintance talking loudly about how Ronaldo is better then Messi...and with the exception of blocked IP of torrent sites which I do use by clicking on links of unblocked peers at the moment...internet is still free here and I assume it will continue to be unless the EU makes further restrictions mandatory and Germany pays for the tools:lol:
Leaving to parents to control what children access won't work. I can't have children, infertility issues between me and missus (we started out for reals at 37 and now we are 41...), but from what I witness from relatives that have children or passers-by most folks don't give 2 cents about what the kid is watching out of the meal table where they will be watching the most asinine non porn tiktokers to keep them in trance while eating...not that much different from some adults though!:lol:
 
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Except for IPTVs which I don't use since I am part of the "Go Sports" tribe that nods and smiles nervously without breaking eye contact with the new acquaintance talking loudly about how Ronaldo is better then Messi...and with the exception of blocked IP of torrent sites which I do use by clicking on links of unblocked peers at the moment...internet is still free here and I assume it will continue to be unless the EU makes further restrictions mandatory and Germany pays for the tools:lol:
Leaving to parents to control what children access won't work. I can't have children, infertility issues between me and missus, we started out for reals at 37 and now we are 41, but from what I witness from relatives that have children or passers-by most folks don't give 2 cents about what the kid is watching out of the meal table where they will be watching the most asinine non porn tiktokers to keep them in trance while eating...not that much different from so adults though!:lol:
If all these things had a "Kids Mode" selectable at purchase that handed the content blocking to say the network provider do you not think most parents would select that for their kids?
 
In the EU you still have time to act

The End of the Privacy of Digital Correspondence

The EU Commission proposes to oblige providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content – generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child sexual exploitation material (CSEM). The result: Mass surveillance by means of fully automated real-time surveillance of messaging and chats and the end of privacy of digital correspondence.

Other aspects of the proposal include ineffective network blocking, screening of personal cloud storage including private photos, mandatory age verification resulting in the end of anonymous communication, appstore censorship and excluding minors from the digital world.

Chat Control 2.0 on every smartphone

On 11 May 2022 the European Commission presented a proposal which would make chat control searching mandatory for all e-mail and messenger providers and would even apply to so far securely end-to-end encrypted communication services. Prior to the proposal a public consultation had revealed that a majority of respondents, both citizens and stakeholders, opposed imposing an obligation to use chat control. Over 80% of respondents opposed its application to end-to-end encrypted communications.

Currently a regulation is in place allowing providers to scan communications voluntarily (so-called “Chat Control 1.0”). So far only some unencrypted US communications services such as GMail, Facebook/Instagram Messenger, Skype, Snapchat, iCloud email and X-Box apply chat control voluntarily (more details here). As a result of the mandatory Chat Control 2.0 proposal, the Commission expects a 3.5-fold increase in scanning reports (by 354%).

Parliament has positioned itself almost unanimously against indiscriminate chat control. With supporters and opponents of mandatory chat control irreconcilably opposed among EU governments (EU Council) and no common position adopted, the EU adopted a two-year extension of voluntary chat control 1.0 in 2024 – see timeline and documents. A victim of child sexual abuse and Pirate MEP Patrick Breyer have filed lawsuits to stop the voluntary indiscriminate scanning by US big tech companies (chat control 1.0).

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If all these things had a "Kids Mode" selectable at purchase that handed the content blocking to say the network provider do you not think most parents would select that for their kids?
Yes, but only if "Kids Mode" is represented by a big red button with arrows pointing at it:)
Running trough menus and submenus of settings to find "kids mode" will not work...it mustn’t be a "hidden" setting.
 
Surely the onus is on the people with kids to look after their kids, the same way they are expected to with food, clothing, correct upbringing etc. If parents want to hand them a porn machine without bothering to work out the settings, that's entirely on them and possibly a reason for social services to get involved.
 
Surely the onus is on the people with kids to look after their kids, the same way they are expected to with food, clothing, correct upbringing etc
True
If parents want to hand them a porn machine without bothering to work out the settings, that's entirely on them and possibly a reason for social services to get involved.
Very true.
...but...
Big Brother Government "I will arrest you for commenting on social media about society woes when certain people are involved" says no! :aargh:
And thus thought police for everyone:scan:...we (collectively) have been voting for this, now we reap what we sowed:mwaha:
 
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Big Brother Government "I will arrest you for commenting on social media about society woes when certain people are involved" says no! :aargh:
And thus thought police for everyone:scan:...we (collectively) have been voting for this, now we reap what we sowed:mwaha:
1984 & Fahrenheit 451 were never intended to be instruction manuals. But here we are when Karens scream out “think of the children!”.
 
Really depressing news last couple of days at least there's some fight-back, oh by the way 'depression' is also targeted in the safety act!

I just dusted of a '1984' paperback that i had been planning on reading for ages, nows a good time.

Repeal the safety act? Shut up peasants and enjoy your soon upcoming state approved 'Victory' gin and ciggs.

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Really depressing news last couple of days at least there's some fight-back, oh by the way 'depression' is also targeted in the safety act!

I just dusted of a '1984' paperback that i had been planning on reading for ages, nows a good time.

Repeal the safety act? Shut up peasants and enjoy your soon upcoming state approved 'Victory' gin and ciggs.

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You can get the gin.
Spoiler Big picture :

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Meanwhile, the rise of anti-circumvention tools is another growth area. ProtonVPN and NordVPN have seen UK sign-ups spike by 1,000%+ as users seek to bypass age checks, prompting Ofcom to crack down on platforms hosting circumvention guides. This creates demand for cybersecurity firms specializing in anti-VPN detection—a niche where KONA I and Thales are emerging as leaders.

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