Iran touts new missile's long range

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TEHRAN - Iran's military said yesterday that it has manufactured a new missile with a range of 1,200 miles and capable of reaching Israel and US bases across the Mideast, the official news agency IRNA reported.
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The defense minister, General Mostafa Mohammad Najjar, did not say whether Iran had test fired the Ashoura or had plans to do so, according to the IRNA report. The name means "the 10th day" in Farsi, a sacred reference among Shi'ite Muslims to the martyrdom of Islam's third imam.

Iran already had reported improvements in a previous missile that would give it the same range as the Ashoura, and Najjar did not elaborate on whether there are any differences between the two weapons.

Recent weapons development has been motivated by Iran's standoff with the United States over its controversial nuclear program, which Washington says is a cover for developing an atomic bomb. Tehran denies that, saying the program is intended to produce electricity.

Iran is known to possess a medium-range missile known as the Shahab-3, which means "shooting star" in Farsi, with a range of at least 800 miles. In 2005, Iranian officials said they had improved its range to 1,200 miles, equal to the new missile announced yesterday.

Analysts also believe Iran is developing the Shahab-4 missile, thought to have a range of 1,200 to 1,900 miles that would enable it to hit much of Europe.

In Israel, there was no official reaction to Iran's statement. But missile specialist Uzi Rubin, formerly head of the Arrow antimissile project in Israel's Ministry of Defense, said the announcement had long been expected.

Rubin said Israel already was in range of other Iranian missiles, so "the people who need to be really worried about the new missile are in Europe."

Meanwhile, a former Iranian nuclear negotiator was acquitted yesterday of spying charges but convicted of acting against the Islamic government in a case that has become a centerpiece in the feud between hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his top political rival.

The verdict for Hossein Mousavian appeared to be a setback for Ahmadinejad, who had branded the diplomat a "spy" and made a veiled reference to him and other critics of his nuclear policies as "traitors."

Mousavian is a close ally of former president Hashemi Rafsanjani, a powerful figure in Iran's clerical leadership who is seen as a pragmatist. Allies of Rafsanjani have been increasingly public in their criticism of Ahmadinejad, accusing him of mismanaging the nuclear standoff with the West and of lashing out against his rivals.

The case against Mousavian from the start was seen as a part of the rivalry. Ahmadinejad implicitly accused Rafsanjani's camp of trying to influence the judiciary to acquit the negotiator. He vowed to stop them and expose his opponents as traitors, suggesting Mousavian had urged the West to toughen its stance on Iran in the nuclear dispute.

Also yesterday, Iran's Supreme Court ordered a new investigation into the case of an Iranian-Canadian photojournalist whose death in a notorious Tehran prison severely strained relations with Canada.

Zahra Kazemi was arrested in July 2003 while taking photographs outside Evin prison during student-led protests against the ruling theocracy. She was taken into custody and jailed at Evin and died a few days later. Iranian authorities initially said she had suffered a stroke.

A committee appointed by then-president Mohammad Khatami, a reformist, found that Kazemi, 54, died of a fractured skull and brain hemorrhage caused by a "physical attack." Prosecutors filed charges against a secret agent who interrogated Kazemi while she was in custody.

The more conservative judiciary rejected the presidential finding, saying Kazemi had died in an accidental fall when her blood pressure dropped during a hunger strike.

A former Iranian Army doctor has said he examined Kazemi and observed horrific injuries that could have been caused only by torture and rape. The doctor later received political asylum in Canada.

Lawyers representing Kazemi's relatives have repeatedly said they did not believe the secret agent was guilty, accusing prison official Mohammad Bakhshi of inflicting the fatal blow to Kazemi and the judiciary of illegally detaining her.

The Canadian government has blamed Tehran prosecutor Saeed Mortazavi for Kazemi's death. Iranian reformists accused Mortazavi of trying to stage a coverup because he was the one who reported that Kazemi died of a stroke. No charges have been filed against Mortazavi in the case.

Source: http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2007/11/28/iran_touts_new_missiles_long_range/

I thought this country was all about PEACE? :confused:

Something else that I found:

However if a carrot doesn't work, then Iran might resort to a stick. Other alternatives were apparently also discussed at the meeting in Tehran. Iran's elite Quds force, a branch of the Revolutionary Guards, are reported to be charged with looking into possible ways to disrupt Berlin's energy partnership with Russia -- for example through terrorist actions against the planned Baltic Sea pipeline between Russia and Germany.

Source: http://www.businessweek.com/globalb...?chan=globalbiz_europe+index+page_top+stories

I fear for you Angela. :sad:
 
This means something to Israel (though I am pretty sure they had missiles capable of hitting them before), it doesn't change anything directly for us.

The Iranians have been able to hit US bases with missiles in the Middle East since we built them, Bahrain is only a couple hundred miles away. It is funny watching the news media fall over themselves with "OMFG US BASES IN RANGE" stories.
 
I thought this country was all about PEACE?

It can hardly afford to be when it is constantly threatened with war by the US. They have every right to develop whatever weapon they wish to protect themselves.
 
I've never been in the military but ...

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I dont understand why youre laughing man. they are clearly announcing it as a detterent against the US, Irans ability to retaliate against an attack is a detterent, hence can be used as a defence...??? I dont get what you find funny?
 
I'm really hoping that this gas thing fails. German-Russian relations are crucial. We all must work together and then the true face of Iran will come out to everyone even those who do not want to see it. :lol:
 
I'm really hoping that this gas thing fails. German-Russian relations are crucial. We all must work together and then the true face of Iran will come out to everyone even those who do not want to see it. :lol:

So what exactly do you propose we (western world) do with Iran, assuming you believe it to be a threat?
 
I dont understand why youre laughing man. they are clearly announcing it as a detterent against the US, Irans ability to retaliate against an attack is a detterent, hence can be used as a defence...??? I dont get what you find funny?

Iranian missles. Scary.

Spoiler :
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If they can attack US bases surely the US is less likely to attack Iran?

And this is a deterent how? Considering the other things Iran could do to possible deter us already, I don't see how firing an area missile that has a 99% chance of missing any base its shot at is going to deter us.

If anything, when if blows up a school or mosque in Manama, the US gets +12 instant Arab allies. :lol: @ Iran.

Note: This missle hasn't been tested. I would not be suprised if it was made out of plywood.

Iranian missles. Scary.

:lol: And so completely accurate.
 
And this is a deterent how? Considering the other things Iran could do to possible deter us already, I don't see how firing an area missile that has a 99% chance of missing any base its shot at is going to deter us.

If anything, when if blows up a school or mosque in Manama, the US gets +12 instant Arab allies. :lol: @ Iran.

Note: This missle hasn't been tested. I would not be suprised if it was made out of plywood.
Hubris or hybris (Greek ὕβρις), according to its modern usage, is exaggerated self pride or self-confidence (overbearing pride), often resulting in fatal retribution. In Ancient Greece, "hubris" referred to actions taken in order to shame the victim, thereby making oneself seem superior.

Hubris was a crime in classical Athens. It was considered the greatest sin of the ancient Greek world. The category of acts constituting hubris for the ancient Greeks apparently broadened from the original specific reference to molestation of a corpse, or a humiliation of a defeated foe, to molestation, or "outrageous treatment", in general. The meaning was further generalized in its modern English usage to apply to any outrageous act or exhibition of pride or disregard for basic moral law. Such an act may be referred to as an "act of hubris", or the person committing the act may be said to be hubristic. Ate, Greek for 'ruin, folly, delusion', is the action performed by the hero, usually because of his/her hubris, or great pride, that leads to his/her death or downfall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris
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And this is a deterent how? Considering the other things Iran could do to possible deter us already, I don't see how firing an area missile that has a 99% chance of missing any base its shot at is going to deter us.

If anything, when if blows up a school or mosque in Manama, the US gets +12 instant Arab allies. :lol: @ Iran.

Note: This missle hasn't been tested. I would not be suprised if it was made out of plywood.
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Now. this is one of these times. I'm going to take your word for it Pat, so honestly, hand on your heart as an impartial observer, if these missiles havent been tested how can you know they have a 1% chance of hitting a target? I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt so please without hyperbole, supposition or unfounded assumptions please tell me how this missile is in no way, shape or form a detterent. I'll take your word for it this once, so please explain it to me if you make the claim.
 
Can anyone explain to me again why it was a better idea to attack Iraq than it was to attack North Korea. (Can you say: "Splashdown"?)

It was explained to me, it had to do with missile firing capabilites, and it's rediculous all of a sudden.

Odd isn't it?
 
This is a feel good weapon to project an image of national strength to the Iranian people, and thereby attempting to boost support for the current government. It doesn't change the balance of power wrt to "The West"in any significant way. The US won't be deterred because of the possibility that military bases might be attacked, and i would be surprised if Israel wasn't already in range of Iranian missiles. It does work towards Iran's apparent goal of becoming the leading regional power in the Middle East.
There appears to be a power struggle going on inside the government, and the economy can't keep up with the rapidly growing workforce (900,000 new entrants each year, according to wiki). I'm no expert, obviously, but i think a lot of news regarding Iran should be viewed as attempts to silence growing discontent at home with demonstrations of strength.
 
Now. this is one of these times. I'm going to take your word for it Pat, so honestly, hand on your heart as an impartial observer, if these missiles havent been tested how can you know they have a 1% chance of hitting a target? I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt so please without hyperbole, supposition or unfounded assumptions please tell me how this missile is in no way, shape or form a detterent. I'll take your word for it this once, so please explain it to me if you make the claim.

Alright, here is what I really think about this without any sarcasm.

1.) As has been stated by others here as well, Isreal and US military bases are already in range of Iranian missiles. Hell, 5th fleet HQ and Central Command in Bahrain and Qatar are within the range of your typical SCUD and have been since they were built. If the Iranians intend to use this missile on our bases instead of their cheaper, tested and proven models (assuming it is real) then it is an insanely ridicuolous waste of limited resources by Iran. It would be like us using ICBMs to provide artillery support.

2.) This missile is not a tactical weapon. The none to overt message here is that if we wanted to we could put a nuke on this, ummm, if we had them of course. It is a long range strategic weapon. How big of a conventional warhead could they fit on this thing? 1000lbs? 2000lbs? Probably not even that. They could put one square in the middle of our Bahrain base and destoy maybe two or three buildings, kill a few dozen soldiers/sailors. A tragedy to be sure, but reletive not a big deal in the grand sceme of things if we have already decided to attack Iran and suffer whatever those not trivial consequences might be.

Hell, we are talking about losing whole ships and dozens of aircraft, both of those things Iran is in a far better position to pull off. So like I said, a missle attack with little chance of hitting anything period, assuming it won't get shot down first, and if it does hit anything can only do minimal damage is not a deterrent.

3.) We can easily (relative, as always) shoot it down. We can get a good number of Russia IRBMs, this home grown Iranian crap will be just that, crap. The real world doesn't work like James Bond, you can't build world class weapons programs in a secret volcano fort.

4.) Why would you announce a weapon as active when you have never tested it. If Iran had shot an IRBM into the Gulf of Oman, over the heads of the warships of a dozen Western nations don't you think we would have heard about that? That leads me to believe it is fake. At the very least its reliability is suspect, would you trust being a passenger in a plane that never got off the ground before?

5.) Its an area weapon. Unless Iran launched a network of global navigation satelites that we don't know about, has imaging satelites or has been violating the airspace of ever nation around it with spy planes to get ara mapping data, or developed inertial guidance to rival everything Russia, the US, China, or ever European country has ever produced it is not going to be an accurate weapon.

Think about it, how do you get a missile to hit a target 1x1 miles (Bahrain/Qutar bases) 200-300 miles away or a city 20x20 1000 miles away with what, because of Iran's capabilities to install guidence, is nothing more than a glorified artillery shell? US and Russian ballistic missles don't hit 105 West Farrington Street, Seatle. They hit Seatle. Even the better ICBMs that are used against silo sites hit within a few miles only. Thats well and good with a nuke, but for attaking specific tactical targets inside a specific military base with a conventional warhead it is not so good.

Like the ballistic missiles China threatens to use all the time, most of these things are bombardment weapons. Fire off a thousand at Taipei and you get a good deterrent. Fire one at anything and you will just piss someone off enough to beat you to death.
 
Alright, here is what I really think about this without any sarcasm.

1.) As has been stated by others here as well, Isreal and US military bases are already in range of Iranian missiles. Hell, 5th fleet HQ and Central Command in Bahrain and Qatar are within the range of your typical SCUD and have been since they were built. If the Iranians intend to use this missile on our bases instead of their cheaper, tested and proven models (assuming it is real) then it is an insanely ridicuolous waste of limited resources by Iran. It would be like us using ICBMs to provide artillery support.

2.) This missile is not a tactical weapon. The none to overt message here is that if we wanted to we could put a nuke on this, ummm, if we had them of course. It is a long range strategic weapon. How big of a conventional warhead could they fit on this thing? 1000lbs? 2000lbs? Probably not even that. They could put one square in the middle of our Bahrain base and destoy maybe two or three buildings, kill a few dozen soldiers/sailors. A tragedy to be sure, but reletive not a big deal in the grand sceme of things if we have already decided to attack Iran and suffer whatever those not trivial consequences might be.

Hell, we are talking about losing whole ships and dozens of aircraft, both of those things Iran is in a far better position to pull off. So like I said, a missle attack with little chance of hitting anything period, assuming it won't get shot down first, and if it does hit anything can only do minimal damage is not a deterrent.

3.) We can easily (relative, as always) shoot it down. We can get a good number of Russia IRBMs, this home grown Iranian crap will be just that, crap. The real world doesn't work like James Bond, you can't build world class weapons programs in a secret volcano fort.

4.) Why would you announce a weapon as active when you have never tested it. If Iran had shot an IRBM into the Gulf of Oman, over the heads of the warships of a dozen Western nations don't you think we would have heard about that? That leads me to believe it is fake. At the very least its reliability is suspect, would you trust being a passenger in a plane that never got off the ground before?

5.) Its an area weapon. Unless Iran launched a network of global navigation satelites that we don't know about, has imaging satelites or has been violating the airspace of ever nation around it with spy planes to get ara mapping data, or developed inertial guidance to rival everything Russia, the US, China, or ever European country has ever produced it is not going to be an accurate weapon.

Think about it, how do you get a missile to hit a target 1x1 miles (Bahrain/Qutar bases) 200-300 miles away or a city 20x20 1000 miles away with what, because of Iran's capabilities to install guidence, is nothing more than a glorified artillery shell? US and Russian ballistic missles don't hit 105 West Farrington Street, Seatle. They hit Seatle. Even the better ICBMs that are used against silo sites hit within a few miles only. Thats well and good with a nuke, but for attaking specific tactical targets inside a specific military base with a conventional warhead it is not so good.

Like the ballistic missiles China threatens to use all the time, most of these things are bombardment weapons. Fire off a thousand at Taipei and you get a good deterrent. Fire one at anything and you will just piss someone off enough to beat you to death.

Could they use this as a delivery vehicle for chemical weapons?
 
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