Iron Curtain PBEM?

[EmuGod]

He told me yesterday that he'd post his turn today.

 

[Insane Badger]

UNITED STATES DECLARES WAR ON CHINA

Despite talks and negotiations that had taken place between China,the USSR and the USA and an agreed settlement the United States has carried the conflict into China herself with a vicious attack on Hainan Airbase,a part of China itself and the destruction of a Chinese submarine in the South China Sea.When word of this reached Chairman Mao he is reported to have been outraged and ordered the immediate mobilisation of the PLA.

TAIWAN RECLAIMED

After a decade of oppressive and revolution repressing rule by Chiang Kai Sek the Peoples Liberation Army finally liberated the Island of taiwan and has brought its people back to under Chinese governance.Chiang Kai Sek has been executed by firing squad for his crimes and the Red Banner now waves handsomly over Taipei.

KOREA UNITED

Today Chinese and North Korean forces crossed the demilitarised zone after a devasting air campaign leaving little organised resisance.The victory was swift as Communist planes bombarded the American puppets.Seoul was capyured in less than a week of fighting and Kim Il Sung has visited the city.Officially receiving the surrender of South Korean forces.

HONG KONG LIBERATED

After over a century of imperialist British rule Hong Kong has been liberated by our brave soldiers,no longer will they be forced to live outside the glorious peoples republic.

With our coastline now under Chinese control and a transport carrying 6 American units sunk south of Okinawa(glad i found that ) the PLA is to mobolise to free the peoples of Indo-China from their american puppet regimes and their lackeys on the council of SEATO.

 

[EmuGod]

BUMP conmcb25!

 

[Aravorn]

Originally posted by EmuGod
BUMP conmcb25!

Holy Cow! Less than 24 hours, but hey thats good for me but watch out the "Union" rules are 48 hours before you bump. My self personnally I dont care when and how you bump me.

I will probally not get this played until this evening USA time. I got a busy day today and a very crabby wife. She worked last night (ALL NIGHT). And of course all three of my kids are in various stages of the flu. And Im suppossed to cut and fit new trim work in my laundry room today. So you will just have to wait for another 12 hours or so.

BTW Emugod I believe I have you added to my IM's. (I use Trillian)

 

[Nibbe]

The United Arab Republics support China in this conflict, but will stay neutral and does not Want Any Kind Of Conflict with The United States Of America. Any use of Nuclear Weapons from the capitalist countries will be met by a total stop of oil transports, which will create a marketcrises.

 

[EmuGod]

Originally posted by conmcb25


Holy Cow! Less than 24 hours, but hey thats good for me but watch out the "Union" rules are 48 hours before you bump. My self personnally I dont care when and how you bump me.

I will probally not get this played until this evening USA time. I got a busy day today and a very crabby wife. She worked last night (ALL NIGHT). And of course all three of my kids are in various stages of the flu. And Im suppossed to cut and fit new trim work in my laundry room today. So you will just have to wait for another 12 hours or so.

BTW Emugod I believe I have you added to my IM's. (I use Trillian)

I know but I saw on another thread I think at apolyton that you said you bump in less than 48 hours so I figured you wouldn't mind. Besides, this thread has been buried for a long time so I thought it would be nice to bring it to the top.

 

[Aravorn]

SEATO condems this act of naked aggression by the Commie Chinese! Next thing you know they will launch Nukes and the whole world will be in flames! Dam commies!

 

[Aravorn]

Pap's hard drive is down for about a month! I will sub for him till he gets back unless of course one fof you has a better idea?

 

[EmuGod]

conmcb25, if that's all you do, say a few words after a declaration of war against you by a nuclear power, I don't think that SEATO's future will be looking too bright in the future.

 

[Aravorn]

Originally posted by EmuGod
conmcb25, if that's all you do, say a few words after a declaration of war against you by a nuclear power, I don't think that SEATO's future will be looking too bright in the future.

Come and get me!

 

[Insane Badger]

Originally posted by conmcb25


Come and get me!

I fully intend to

 

[academia]

We had a problem with game.txt file versions in the CFC Iron Curtain PBEM #2
Just to be sure, everybody MUST download this file. ok?
For more info about the "problem", go here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=734136#post734136
NEW GAME.TXT FILE

 

[EmuGod]

BUMP Nibbe!

 

[academia]

GREAT NEWS!!!!
As a result of the effectivity of the russian attack in order to destroy the USA/NATO nuclear forces, I decided to do something to correct this problem; well, to make it less unfair
(CFC Iron Curtain PBEM #2)
I mean, it´s obvious that in a turn-based game (and in the case of a nuclear war) we face the problem of "the one who strikes first wins / has a considerable advantage"
Because, if you are able to destroy between 90-100% of the nuclear forces of your enemy, you can prevent a nuclear counterattack.

So, how can we solve that problem?
It´s not that hard
I added a command in the events.txt file.
It says something like this:
If "USA ICBM" destroyed by "ANYBODY"
THEN Create "USA ICBM" in "a specific location" (i´ll give you 4 or 5 possibilities)

So, in case of a soviet attack, all the ICBMs destroyed by the soviets, will "magically" appear again in the american soil. I made some tests, and no matter if the ICBM is in an airbase, submarine or carrier. IT WORKS!!!! THE ICBM APPEARS!!!!

THERE´S ONLY ONE PROBLEM!! when you place a ICBM in a city and (for example) the soviets nuke that city, the command doesn´t work. It´s the only case
Ok, I also know that if the ICBM was in the pacific ocean, it wouldn´t appear in the same location again. Sorry, but i can´t guess the location of the missile

This is an attempt to recreate MAD. Yea, it´s not perfect, but i think it´s an interesting aproximation of the real situation
It will give you the chance to mantain the same nuclear force (quantity of nukes) that you had before the soviet / anybody attack.
In other words, You´ll have enough nukes to strike back

 

[academia]

So, do you want me to post the new events.txt file with the modification?

I´d like to hear your comments about this idea

 

[Aravorn]

Like I said in Game 1, I vote to implement and try to do something for the powers that currently dont have Nukes but may get them in the future. This was the one feature of the game that was beginning to make me wonder about it. So I say lets do it.

 

[EmuGod]

That seems kind of unfair. If you strike first and destroy your enemies's arsenal, then you have successfully eliminated an opponents' arsenal. Regenerating it is very unrealistic. The whole point is for each player to hide his nuclear arsenal from his opponents. If they find it, then they can attack it and destroy it. You might as well make all units that are destroyed also regenerate if you do that to the nukes. But if you insist on it, how about making this only apply for MRBMs and not ICBMs?

 

[Nibbe]

Gonna play my turn now...

 

[Nibbe]

Oh well...

Report:

Attacks on Ethiotipa caused the destruction of a city. The cause is repeating attacks on Arab forces.

Naval forces are going through Turkey's border on its way to Soviet Union.

 

[academia]

PART 1

Let´s see...
First of all, i´m glad to hear your comments / suggestions! That means that you´re really interested in solving this "problem"
Ok. As you may imagine, i presented this idea in every single Iron Curtain PBEM. So, i received some interesting ideas.

GREENY EXPLAINED THE PROBLEM PERFECTLY (CFC Iron Curtain #2)
In reality the nuclear responce would happen while the emeny nukes were in the air.
I was trying to find a way to recreate that in a turn based game. ok?

Tracid comment in CFC Iron Curtain #1

If you HAVE to implement this, at least do it for every civ....including those who do not have nukes at start of the game.

Of course, i´ll do it for every civ. The US/USSR situation was just AN EXAMPLE

Yop73 comment in CFC Iron Curtain #1

Well, I for my part are not going to let this game end in a nuclear inferno. I say we all sign an anti-nuclear treaty and the one who violates it, will be attacked by all other nations

Guys: Remember that using or not using nuclear weapons depends on you
It´s your choice: Global Nuclear War or Non-Proliferation Treaty

Conmcb25 comment in CFC Iron Curtain Pbem?

Like I said in Game 1, I vote to implement and try to do something for the powers that currently dont have Nukes but may get them in the future. This was the one feature of the game that was beginning to make me wonder about it. So I say lets do it.

I agree with you

Emugod comment in CFC Iron Curtain Pbem?

That seems kind of unfair. If you strike first and destroy your enemies's arsenal, then you have successfully eliminated an opponents' arsenal. Regenerating it is very unrealistic. The whole point is for each player to hide his nuclear arsenal from his opponents. If they find it, then they can attack it and destroy it. You might as well make all units that are destroyed also regenerate if you do that to the nukes. But if you insist on it, how about making this only apply for MRBMs and not ICBMs?

Well, i think this is a problem between "civ2 game style vs. reality"
In a civ2 game, you don´t have silos to "hide" your nukes. The player can find and destroy the nukes wherever they are.
In real life, as Greeny explained, NUCLEAR RESPONSE WILL HAPPEN WHILE THE ENEMY NUKES WERE IN THE AIR
Personally, i´d like to recreate that.
MRBMs or ICBMs? I think we should reach a decision about implementing the "regenerate" idea first.

Germanos comment in CFC Iron Curtain #2:

Let me first say that I destroyed the bulk of USA Nukes (both ICBM and MRBM) because I sunk many subs, and quite a few on airbases. I'm not completely sure, but I am quite confident I destroyed 3/4 of the nukes by conventional attack. If the USA would have moved his Nukes out of any danger-zone, he would still have them. I mean, some of his subs were right next to my destroyers . I see no reason why any tactic like that should be rewarded by invulnarable nukes.

Good point in the case of the subs. The US player made a wrong choice. In real life, soviets may have sunk subs in a conventional battle.
The nukes in the air bases? that´s other story

Secondly, if you do implement this, you should make ICBM's much, MUCH more expensive. There can be no price to high for undestructable units! I for one would not build ANY MRBM's under your proposed 'solution'. I think a price in the range of a Wonder would be in place, these would be 'miracle' weapons .

Mmm... maybe...

The Soviet closing statement therefore is: had the USA protected its nukes better, there would have been no reason for the proposed alteration of the existing game. I also find the whole concept of invulnarable units ridiculous.

One more time, i refer to Greeny´s explanation. We aren´t talking about conventional units.

Earlier I have suggested to Academia though that all nukes at the start of the scenario should be NONE-units, so that nukes cannot be lost due to capture of their 'home'-city. That would ensure at least some MAD in case of a first strike. A few NONE-subs could carry these nukes, if necessary.

I like this idea. Could be a nice option