Is Asexuality a choice?

[MobBoss]

Fixed for ya.

Thats incorrect civg. You can be celibate, and still be as horny as a horn toad. I thought you knew that....

 

[JohnMarshall12]

To the original thread's question: No, Asexuality it is not a choice. You either have sexual thoughts or you don't. However, some people are mislabeled as asexual when they really just have a low sex drive.

 

[LightFang]

I realize they are not the same thing. I simply belive that choice is indeed involved in both of them. Thats not a 'curious inability' to understand their differences, simply me pointing out a similarity I believe they share. As always, you are also entitled to your own opinion.

No. No more waving around "it's my opinion!" like a flag that defends you from criticism. Opinions aren't sacred.

 

[GenMarshall]

Thats incorrect CivG. You can be celibate, and still be as horny as a horn toad. I thought you knew that....

Fixed for ya.

MobBoss once again pokes his "wisdom" into everything like a well timed crit rocket. Sorry, but it is correct. Celibacy is the same thing as Asexuality in my book.

 

[JohnMarshall12]

If you heterosexual and homosexual, evolutionary-wise that's fine, but if your just homosexual, its a dead end in an evolutionary sense.

If this were really true, homosexuality would no longer exist in humans as it would have died off as you put it. The fact that it still exists to this day shows that there is more to it than that. It is far more likely homosexuality is a genetic trait that only shows in certain people as in an allele that only shows for some people and not for others. This is not uncommon in genetics as there are plenty of mutations that work this way. BTW, I use the term mutation as being neither good nor bad just to signify a variation.

 

[Perfection]

Maybe if someone chooses to cut their naughty bits off it's a choice.

 

[Elta]

Fixed for ya.

MobBoss once again pokes his "wisdom" into everything like a well timed crit rocket. Sorry, but it is correct. Celibacy is the same thing as Asexuality in my book.

Are you trying to say that you do not believe anyone is really Asexual? And you just think they can't "get any"?

 

[emzie]

Fixed for ya.

MobBoss once again pokes his "wisdom" into everything like a well timed crit rocket. Sorry, but it is correct. Celibacy is the same thing as Asexuality in my book.

So... you're not attracted to women then. Interesting.

 

[GenMarshall]

So... you're not attracted to women then. Interesting.

No, I AM attracted to women .

 

[LightFang]

No, I AM attracted to women .

Going by your argument, since you're celibate, you're asexual. They're not the same thing, Civ.

Celibate: a person who abstains from sexual relations.
Asexuality: a sexual orientation describing individuals who do not experience sexual attraction or do not have interest in or desire for sex.

So people who are asexual are usually celibate but people who are celibate aren't necessarily asexual.

 

[GenMarshall]

Celibate: a person who abstains from sexual relations.
Asexuality: a sexual orientation describing individuals who do not experience sexual attraction or do not have interest in or desire for sex.

So people who are asexual are usually celibate but people who are celibate aren't necessarily asexual.

That's better than "YOUR WRONG!!!" by MobBoss .

 

[emzie]

edit: point nullified

 

[LucyDuke]

Freedom from responsibility is a great thing isnt it?

Yes, because that's exactly what I'm getting at. I'm saying that when I slept with that jerk, I wasn't responsible for sleeping with that jerk because I couldn't help being sexually attracted to him! I wasn't responsible for what I did because his sexy hair overwhelmed my sensibilities! Gosh, I wish I could've made the choice to not go to bed with him!

Maybe you'll understand this: Is an erection a decision? Is an erection the same thing as having sex?

Wait till you are older. Then perhaps you will have one of those 'welllll...am I really in the mood for sex....or not' and you choose one way or the other....

Thanks for being patronizing, I really appreciate the effort. But unfortunately the choice you're talking about - whether or not to have sex on a particular occasion - isn't what I was talking about - whether or not to find someone (or a group of someones) sexually attractive, or whether to have any interest, throughout your life (or a long portion thereof), in having sex. So, as usual on this topic, you've completely missed the ball.

Can you choose to eat even if you are not hungry? Can you even like what you are eating if your not hungry?

Yes and yes. Is hunger a choice?

A lot of people dont want to have anything be a choice...that way its never their fault for anything...

Right, we know, fags choose to be evil, that's nice.

 

[Gustave5436]

Biological evolution never stops. You can't just taken its place.

Biological evolution occurs on a scale of millions of years. Societal evolution occurs on a scale of tens of thousands, thousands, hundreds, tens... of years. Evolution doesn't stop entirely in civilized species, but it is made irrelevant by the far more rapid pace of social and technological advancement.

Yeah, but Bonobos, even if they practice homosexuality, are still in the end heterosexual, they aren't unattracted to the opposite sex when mating season comes. Bonobos who aren't attracted to the opposite sex come mating season don't pass their genes on and their line dies out eventually.

They practice both, hence are bisexual, not heterosexual. Furthermore, it is easier to pass on one's genes when one is alive, and since bonobo homosexual behavior serves to prevent violent conflicts, it certainly seems adaptive to me.

Biologically passing on your own genes always trumps anything else. Your kids will have a greater chance of resembling you than your sibling's kids. It is in fact, your genes surviving, that is important.

In totally antisocial species you're correct. However, humans take a social strategy. We naturally form into groups, and ultimately it is our goal to perpetuate the group, not ourselves, as we cannot survive without the group. If you protect your siblings so that they might reproduce and ensure the future viability of the group, you have succeeded.

Celibacy is the same thing as Asexuality in my book.

Anorexia (i.e. lack of appetite; not the 'nervosa' kind) and fasting: what, if any, is the difference?

Asexuality is a lack of interest in sexual activity. Celibacy is a lack of engaging in sexual activity. People who are celibate are not necessarily asexual and vice versa.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I have never chosen to be sexually attracted to someone, I have never chosen to be interested in or to desire sex. I have chosen to engage someone I am sexually attracted to, I have chosen to pursue an interest in sex, I have chosen to feed a desire for sex. Never have I chosen to have those impulses to begin with. Nor have I ever chosen to not have those attractions or interests or desires.

Is hunger a choice?

No, I don't think a lack of sexual desire is a choice.* Sexual inactivity certainly may be, but attraction and desire are separate from activity. You don't choose what gets you hot.

Pretty much nails it.

 

[Narz]

Biological evolution stopped for H. sapiens thousands of years ago. Societal evolution has taken its place.

We're still evolving. For example certain populations can handle grains far better than other people who remained hunter gatherers.

On the prison = buttsecks thing. My brother in law is a prison guard. He said that nearly everyone who is in there for a long time is regularly involved in teh bhutsecks. There is not much they can do to stop it when it is consensual either. One person guards 180 cells, unless someone is screaming rape they generally ignore it.

Hmm, I guess it depends on the type of prison & how long people are in for.

Yeah you could force yourself to make love to a man, sure.

But can you force yourself to like it more than being with a women?

Only for you baby!

If so kudos to you, you have a true mastery of your own mind. You can even make a raw kale salad taste better than your favorite food! I on the other hand am not nearly that mentally strong I guess.

Jamie makes a pretty ill kale salad, but not so good I wouldn't like it better with melted cheese & perhaps some chicken ( , I don't eat meat much but free range chicken does hit the spot once in awhile!).

 

[emzie]

Jamie makes a pretty ill kale salad, but not so good I wouldn't like it better with melted cheese & perhaps some chicken ( , I don't eat meat much but free range chicken does hit the spot once in awhile!).

Thought you were a raw food type!

 

[Narz]

Thought you were a raw food type!

For three years, yes. Not so much this last year especially.

I still try to make vegetable (with apple) juice as many days a week as possible & enjoy stuff like kim-chi, kombucha & eat lots of greens (mostly either juiced or cooked though). Being a raw food vegan wasn't sustainable for me long term, I feel better eating more of a mixed diet (though I still eat vegetarian 99% of the time).

average day when I prepare my own food

 

[Elta]

Jamie makes a pretty ill kale salad, but not so good I wouldn't like it better with melted cheese & perhaps some chicken ( , I don't eat meat much but free range chicken does hit the spot once in awhile!).

Hey it's like my dad says, a bunch of greens with butter and vegetables is better than just a pizza.



It's true, I need to eat more like you....... serious, I am working on it

 

[MobBoss]

No. No more waving around "it's my opinion!" like a flag that defends you from criticism. Opinions aren't sacred.

Merely clarifying my point. Trust me, I have gotten plenty of criticism being around here. Hasnt really bothered me yet. I am not here to have all my critics like me.

And while you might think opinion arent sacred (and I agree) people are still given the opportunity to have them. Even ones that dont necessarily agree with your point of view.

MobBoss once again pokes his "wisdom" into everything like a well timed crit rocket. Sorry, but it is correct. Celibacy is the same thing as Asexuality in my book.

Oh brother...

Maybe you'll understand this: Is an erection a decision? Is an erection the same thing as having sex?

The decision kinda comes prior to the erection. No, an erection isnt the same thing as sex and neither is it an absolute indication of uncontrolled arousal.

Yes and yes. Is hunger a choice?

Is breathing? Hunger isnt a choice for the simple reason you cant survive without it. Not so with sexuality. And even though Hunger isnt a choice, you can make the decision to override its compulsion. If you couldnt people wouldnt ever starve to death on a hunger strike.

Right, we know, fags choose to be evil, that's nice.

Not language I would ever use and your own use of it is offensive.