D0NIMATRIX
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Yes, but only when absolutely no alternatives are offered.
Is Being Gay a Choice, Not a Choice, or both.
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Adamb0mb
Lawless
They could abstain from sex with other men. Maybe even employ a little self help.
D0NIMATRIX
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Maybe they find that with another person it's better or something. You'd have to ask them.
ohcrapitsnico
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Meh. The only thing I can say is tell me what you did after you spend 20 years or so in prison.
Adamb0mb
Lawless
It's almost like they are choosing to have sex with other men because they find it enjoyable. Sounds pretty gay to me.
Please note that I am not condemning them. I am simply using them to make the case that being gay can be a choice.
Who knows? Maybe I'd pick up a lover.
ohcrapitsnico
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Well gay or not they use the pleasure to contain their urges and in the sense that being gay is preferring men over women when you have the choice than no I would say they aren't gay. If the guy who is "gay" with the other men in prison gets out and goes back to women he isn't gay. Really though it depends on your definiton of gay. Mine is more or less preference and true sexual attraction to the same sex not sex with another member of the same sex.
Adamb0mb
Lawless
What happens in prison stays in prison?
So if a man spends a 20 year stint in prison during which time he picks up a lover with whom he shares physical and emotional intimacy but upon release chooses to engage in a heterosexual lifestyle then he is not and has never been gay?
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
*sigh*
Guys...
To be gay - to be primarily sexually attracted to another person of your own gender.
To have sex with your own gender in prison - does not mean you are gay, as it is a last option thingy. You can't direct the wind, but you can adjust your sails.
When developing emotional feelings for a person - yes, it is called love - you aren't necessarily sexually attracted to that person. Love and sex is two completely different terms (I.E. the difference between falling in love with a person and loving a person).
Kapeesh?
Guys...
To be gay - to be primarily sexually attracted to another person of your own gender.
To have sex with your own gender in prison - does not mean you are gay, as it is a last option thingy. You can't direct the wind, but you can adjust your sails.
When developing emotional feelings for a person - yes, it is called love - you aren't necessarily sexually attracted to that person. Love and sex is two completely different terms (I.E. the difference between falling in love with a person and loving a person).
Kapeesh?
Adamb0mb
Lawless
Sounds pretty gay to me.
But then at least these men in prison have chosen to be bisexual (love their wives at home and have sex with their prison boyfriends).
Slightly different interpretation but same result: there is an element of choice in one's sexuality.
Kapeesh?
D0NIMATRIX
Full of drivel
Once again, if they could choose it, they wouldn't have to. Prison can do things to you. You can go mad, you can get depressed, you can resort to having sex with the same sex for lack of the other.
Kapeesh?
Kapeesh?
Adamb0mb
Lawless
Nope, still not getting it.
I can see how being locked in a box could be quite infuriating. I can also see how some men locked in such a box with no women in sight could enjoy having sex with other men.
I don't see how men choosing to have sex with other men for the sake of pleasure isn't gay.
I can see how being locked in a box could be quite infuriating. I can also see how some men locked in such a box with no women in sight could enjoy having sex with other men.
I don't see how men choosing to have sex with other men for the sake of pleasure isn't gay.
D0NIMATRIX
Full of drivel
Then if some man rapes you, you're being gay?
Adamb0mb
Lawless
Nope, because if I am being raped by a man I am engaging in man on man sex because I'm being forced, not for the sake of my enjoyment.
like I said above:
like I said above:
Adamb0mb said:
D0NIMATRIX
Full of drivel
In prison, the hell they live is forcing them to escape it by any means necessary, and sex with cellmates is one of them. Like I said, they never wanted to do it, they had to.
Margim
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Gay is an orientation (your general preference, chosen or otherwise). Homosexual acts, however, do not make one gay, any more than pleasuring oneself makes one asexual.
Gay men might sleep with women (ie, in certain x-rated industries), but it wouldn't make them straight. Likewise, men might have to kiss for a film, but it doesn't make them gay.
As far as prison, from what I understand, is that sexual acts are as much about power as they are about any need or urge.
Again, lets stop pretending sexuality is so clear cut. It doesn't come down to just one thing or the other.
Gay men might sleep with women (ie, in certain x-rated industries), but it wouldn't make them straight. Likewise, men might have to kiss for a film, but it doesn't make them gay.
As far as prison, from what I understand, is that sexual acts are as much about power as they are about any need or urge.
Again, lets stop pretending sexuality is so clear cut. It doesn't come down to just one thing or the other.
Adamb0mb
Lawless
DOMINATRIX said:
They don't have to, they choose to.
I think it is pretty much agreed that engaging in sexual acts with members of the same sex does not automatically make you gay. A straight man can be forced (rape) or compensated (prostitution) for performing sex with other men and not necessarily be gay.
I argue that it is the enjoyment of such activities (regardless of situation) that determine whether a man is gay/bi or straight.
Power, need, urge... as long as its man on man sex for pleasure it's gay.
Adamb0mb
Lawless
If they are lonely and want intimacy why not just cuddle?
Oh yeah - orgasms and the sexual pleasure they obtain from one another.
Oh yeah - orgasms and the sexual pleasure they obtain from one another.
Adamb0mb
Lawless
Yep, just guys having sex with guys. Nothing gay here.
Jail sex is done in the privacy of the cell. Humiliation is carried out in the cafeteria and in yard where others can see (and guards won't let you have sex with each other).
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