Is Being Gay a Choice, Not a Choice, or both.

[D0NIMATRIX]

Leave a baby alone with nothing to teach it. It will never learn anything.

Actually, it will learn how to move about and what can be eaten (anything orgainic).

Sorry I am not trying to offend any gay but you are not born that way. It doesn't work like that. You are not born any with any sexual preference it is the world around you that makes you straight or gay. Most people are straight because its what everyone else is doing and we take it in. If a male was raised in a gay community from birth he would be far more likely to be gay. I never met a gay man, I met many lesbians, this gives me a less of a chance to be gay. You are not born gay, just like you are not born able to speak English or able to read. No ones sexuality is effected by birth or dna or anything. Just like I prefer brunettes because most of my family is blonds and blonds remind me of family and that makes me not like blond chicks. I guess you might not like your parents and because they are hetero you want to be different subconsciously. But you are not born gay.

For thousands of years, humans have had to have sex with [healthy] women in order to have [their] children [survive]. Nowadays, there are so many new inventions (and children) that this is no longer vital to our survival, so this is possible. That is why until a few hundred years ago, being homosexual was impossible for survival. The human instinct to reproduce, is, however, still here, so the only reason gayness would be possible is by birth defects. The reason it's possible to go back is because humans still have that tiny attraction to the opposite sex, and this can be nurtured and grow to a love.

There is no study that has been duplicated to give the exact same results so say that a person is born Gay. Ther have been plenty of studies done on this subject and each study is different. Anyone who says that they were born gay are just kidding themselves, because there is always an incident somewhere along the line that they had to make a decision.

@Stapel, you will be surprised at how many decisions that people make everyday and yet when you asked them about it, they would not say they made a choice at all, even though there are other possibilities that they could have done.

I have a question for those who think that it is not a choice. How do you explain people who have come out from a homosexual lifestyle?

Everybody has to make the decision on what actions to follow through with, not necessarily what thoughts to think. As I said above, that little natural instinct is still harbored in our minds, so it's a lot easier to come back than to go over.

Long ago, in another thread about this same topic, I discussed the successful brainwashing of American POWs during WW2 by the Japanese. It clearly shows that allegiances can be changed. Brainwashing can also successfully change the sexuality of a person. And brainwashing is just "environmental factors" in my opinion.

I have not tried to change my gender that I'm attracted to. I haven't been interested.

"Choice" is an incredibly poor word for this discussion. "Learned" is better. In other words, environmental factors play a part in all of this.

Changing affiliation of factions is a lot different. It's like an argument, you try to use proof and logic to convince the other guy that your cause is the just one, while there is no proof nor logic to be offered in homosexual desires (You can't convince a straight guy to become homosexual, or vice-versa, it's their choice).

 

[Mirc]

Have any heterosexuals ever said: 'allright, let's like women!'?
The answer is no, so being gay is no choice. It's simple as that.

The answer is yes, or rather "it's not that simple". I can learn myself to like anything. I didn't like rice at all, until I decided I am going to like it and now I like it. I didn't like violin at all, until I listened to it enough to start liking it. I didn't like spicy foods at all until I decided I have to like it so I don't suffer when in some places I can only find spicy food. Now I like it. Yes, you can convince yourself of anything.

 

[Angst]

Not at being gay. That's too deep.

 

[Adamb0mb]

I don't know about that lord. I think the rampant homosexuality in prisons is evidence that people can even decide to like sex with men.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Brainwashing.

I think brainwashing is a pretty long way away form being a choice. I'd call that forced change in behaviour. Not choice.

CH, I answered your question, why won't you answer mine?

 

[Luckymoose]

Being gay is a choice. I remember when I was little most of my friends and myself thought girls were icky. But then we realized girls are hot and thus we were hetero. Gays do the same thing sept they pick men.

 

[Mirc]

^ Same for me, and for anyone I know.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Being gay is a choice.

No it's not. And you are about to explain why not

I remember when I was little most of my friends and myself thought girls were icky. But then we realized girls are hot and thus we were hetero. Gays do the same thing sept they pick men.

Pick men. This is where you are wrong. You realised girls are hot. That's the key issue. You didn't ponder, hmmm girls or guys ... girls or guys ... hmmm. Nope, one day you realised girls were hot. Not a conscious decision, so no choice.

If you'd find both (boys and girls) hot, or choose to find one hot when both weren't then it;s a choice. A realisation is not.

 

[Luckymoose]

No it's not. And you are about to explain why not
Pick men. This is where you are wrong. You realised girls are hot. That's the key issue. You didn't ponder, hmmm girls or guys ... girls or guys ... hmmm. Nope, one day you realised girls were hot. Not a conscious decision, so no choice.

If you'd find both (boys and girls) hot, or choose to find one hot when both weren't then it;s a choice. A realisation is not.

*ANCK!* Wrong! I picked girls because everyone else did because everyones parents told them to over the years.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yeah, sure. I believe you were honest in your first post, and just are trying to win the argument now. You are going to have a hard time convincing me that:

1. You first picked girls
2. You then found them hot.

Instead of the other way around. I'm not that gullible you know

 

[Elta]

This thread choose to be gay.

 

[Luckymoose]

Yeah, sure. I believe you were honest in your first post, and just are trying to win the argument now. You are going to have a hard time convincing me that:

1. You first picked girls
2. You then found them hot.

Instead of the other way around. I'm not that gullible you know

See normal boys are told as small children that they will grow up and meet nice girls and have kids. This puts girls as the correct choice into your mind. Little boys who watch Ellen Degeneres show become gay. See what I mean?

 

[Elta]

See normal boys are told as small children that they will grow up and meet nice girls and have kids. This puts girls as the correct choice into your mind. Little boys who watch Ellen Degeneres show become gay. See what I mean?

No but, I distinctly remember my first erection was when I saw that chicks boobs in the Jean Claude Van Damme movie where he plays twins. I was 3, and no one told me that would happen. I had seen many male nipples before then. They all failed to give me an erection.

 

[Stapel]

See normal boys are told as small children that they will grow up and meet nice girls and have kids. This puts girls as the correct choice into your mind. Little boys who watch Ellen Degeneres show become gay. See what I mean?

This has been proven wrong a gazillion times, but if you want to beleive so, fine with me.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm not a normal guy because my parents never specifically told me to go after girls. Heck, they were off the opinion I was too early with going after girls.

I'm a deviant and I aint even gay

 

[Elta]

It was called Double Impact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Impact


Surprisingly with that name it was not a porno.

 

[Luckymoose]

Perhaps our natural attraction to women comes from breast feeding or being comforted by mothers as infants? Pretty sure it isn't born that way.

 

[Stapel]

I'm not a normal buy because my parents never specifiaclly told me to go after girls. Heck, they were off the opinion I was too early with going after girls.

I'm a deviant and I aint even gay

My folks specifically told me it was ok to be gay, but they never succeeded in actually making me gay.
My brother used to play with dolls and puppets (so I could have the Lego alone ), but he turned out to be hetero too.

But something in this world has convinced LM that these action will force you the pick the wrong choice and make you gay........


Well, there is already more stupidity in this thread, than I can reasonably bear......

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Perhaps our natural attraction to women comes from breast feeding or being comforted by mothers as infants? Pretty sure it isn't born that way.

I think you and Oedipus should go bowling some time

My folks specifically told me it was ok to be gay, but they never succeeded in actually making me gay.
My brother used to play with dolls and puppets (so I could have the Lego alone ), but he turned out to be hetero too.

I had a sister. All the Lego was my birthright as a man!

 

[Elta]

Perhaps our natural attraction to women comes from breast feeding or being comforted by mothers as infants? Pretty sure it isn't born that way.

Then why don't women get erect when they see breast?