Is Bioshock doing a disservice to old music by playing it while killing mutants?

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Before I begin this post, a few youtube videos:


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For those who are unfamiliar with it, Bioshock is a video game series set in a 'retro art deco'-inspired world which features 'old-style' music recorded from about 1930 to 1960. The above videos feature songs from the games set to Bioshock imagery.

I'm wondering what you think of this. On the one hand, this music is being exposed to people who otherwise would never have heard it. But on the other ... the medium through which it is being exposed doesn't do the music much good. The player, while listening to the hot jivin's of Benny Goodman, is blowing up mutants.

Overall the series presents its retro-styled culture somewhat ironically, as the decaying remains of a lost society. Besides the authentic music, some other 'retro' cultural artifacts include cutesy cartoons advertising dangerous superpowers, kitschy chromatic vending-machines selling ammunition, and cheery intercom recordings warning about bootlegging and the dangers of drug addiction ("Don't trust the bootlegger - and have a nice day!"). In these depictions the game dismisses what it considers 'retro-culture'. It doesn't even bother to differentiate its source material - all sorts of images and sounds from the late 1920s to mid 50s are presented as the artifacts of a single art-deco, hair-bobbed, naive, cartoony, and very corny culture.
Now, remember how we said before that most of the players of Bioshock have no other experience with this sort of culture? Well, let's plug these two ideas together. Because this music is only known through Bioshock it becomes "Bioshock music", and it is understood from the same jaded POV as it is presented in the game. Similarly, any other culture similar to it is seen through this lens, rather than being appreciated for its own worth. Read the comments of the videos posted above, or go through some other similar videos. Bing Crosby - hey, Bioshock! The Chrysler building - hey, Bioshock! Leave it to Beaver - hey, Bioshock!
Bioshock is not the only video game series with a retro-style. Art-Deco Retro has quite a vogue, currently. It could also be found in Fallout, a game set in a similar post-apocalyptic environment. These two games, together, what with their great success and apparent influence, are adding to the creation of a dismissive myth of the mid-twentieth century. For decades, when people hear an 'old' song, they will associate it with the impression "Bioshock" and "Fallout" has created for them. It will simply seem quaint.
So... do you think this matters - or is even a valid analysis? Is the presentation of culture so important to its consumption? I personally think it is. Take Classical music. A lot of people I know think of Opera and Classical music as 'serial killer music', because serial killers in movies tend to listen to that kind of music. Some have even said they feel uncomfortable when they listen to classical music because it reminds them of particular scary scenes.
At the same time, to bring us back to Bioshock, this doesn't have to be the case. Some people who play Bioshock do actually like the music, apparently reversing my argument that they should have developed a sophisticated disdain for it. Again, read the comments. Personally, I find that their attitudes are still in line with what I've said - it's all just 'classic' or 'oldies' to them. They don't actually know who Django Reinhardt or Annette Hanshaw are. But, as I'm asking you, is that so important? They like it. Their horizons are being broadened.
But are they being broadened in a good way?
 
Any broadening is good broadening. I got into classical music from Civ4 where I am spending my time slaughtering thousands and planning domination of the world like a bad Bond villain. Whenever I hear the second movement of Beethoven's 5th, I will always associate it with civ.

I'm more woried about the effect Bioshock has on encouraging kids to read Ayn Rand. It happened to one of my friends, he played Bioshock and decided to read Atlas Shrugged, becoming a Randroid.
 
Fallout 3 does this schtick too. It's starting to be a cliche.
 
Yeah, I read the title and my first thought was Fallout 3.

I'm with Ajidica. Any broadening is good broadening. I, for one, quite enjoy the FO3 soundtrack beyond the game. I doubt we're gonna spontaneously head out for a night of the ol' ultraviolent if we listen to Beethoven while razing Paris.
Ajidica said:
I'm more woried about the effect Bioshock has on encouraging kids to read Ayn Rand. It happened to one of my friends, he played Bioshock and decided to read Atlas Shrugged, becoming a Randroid.
Drat, I thought the whole point was Rapture crashed because it subscribed to Rand.
 
Drat, I thought the whole point was Rapture crashed because it subscribed to Rand.
Of course (however, I think Bioshock2 was contrived as a 'Collectivism goes wrong' thing). Despite that, it still introduces nerdy middle class white males to Ayn Rand, which is never a good thing. They should just have set it on the 'Alpha-Island' is Brave New World.
 
Fallout 3 does this schtick too. It's starting to be a cliche.

2 series = cliche?

Anyway its great these games introduce this music to new people. The songs find new life from the new experiences with them or we appreciate them for what they are. This is like most music from any era. Plenty of songs are first heard by some people in movies or commercials.

I appreciate songs like "Bei Mir Bist Du Schön" just for the song and I will always be grateful for Bioshock for introducing me to Django Reinhardt. On the other end "How Much is That Doggy in the Window" will now always have a creepy factor to it. Its how I personally appreciate that song. "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves" will always feel ominous to me because it was used in a modernized version of the radio play War of the Worlds so this is not just a Bioshock phenomena. How many people are going to connect dreaming with Edith Piaf's "Non, je ne regrette rien" thanks to the movie Inception? Lots I imagine.

Ajidica said:
It happened to one of my friends, he played Bioshock and decided to read Atlas Shrugged, becoming a Randroid.

Did he not notice how society collapsed because the have nots don't sit around glad they are stuck as poor laborers?
 
Did he not notice how society collapsed because the have nots don't sit around glad they are stuck as poor laborers?
I'm not sure. However, as I pointed out earlier, he is the perfect demographic to be attracted to Miss Rand's works as a nerdy middle class male.
 
I'm more woried about the effect Bioshock has on encouraging kids to read Ayn Rand. It happened to one of my friends, he played Bioshock and decided to read Atlas Shrugged, becoming a Randroid.

Your friend is a moron :lol: Did he even play the game? Give him the second one, it might make him a communist.

Fallout 3 does this schtick too. It's starting to be a cliche.

So is orchestral cliche too? Many many more games have done that. Come on, Bioshock and the Fallout series have a direct link to the culture of the songs played, it's not so bad :p
 
It's the "chortle chortle we're playing happy music in the midst of dire events! How ironic!" that's getting cliche and not just in videogames.
 
I think you should give players more credit. I still think most people are rather open when it comes to music, and only lack proper ways to access good collections of certain genres - at least that's the impression I've got from the people I know. I always appreciate it when a work of art offers me easy access to a genre I don't know yet.

If you really get into the music afterwards, the "soundtrack association" effect will vanish over time.

Sure there'll always be people who only get shallowly into this music, but do we really want to start worrying about how people who are not invested into music think about music?

I'm more woried about the effect Bioshock has on encouraging kids to read Ayn Rand. It happened to one of my friends, he played Bioshock and decided to read Atlas Shrugged, becoming a Randroid.
Actually, I think it's a good thing if Randism absorbs those idiots who still want to become a Randroid after they've played Bioshock. Natural selection at its finest.
 
Your friend is a moron :lol: Did he even play the game? Give him the second one, it might make him a communist.



So is orchestral cliche too? Many many more games have done that. Come on, Bioshock and the Fallout series have a direct link to the culture of the songs played, it's not so bad :p

Well, in my own experience I have found that I have a harder time appreciating Romantic-era music because it's so similar to video game and movie scores. Its not that its bad music, or even that the music in video games and movies is bad, either. It's just that I'm too used to it and too used to not thinking about it.
 
It's the "chortle chortle we're playing happy music in the midst of dire events! How ironic!" that's getting cliche and not just in videogames.
I like happy music. It makes me happy. Just like killing imaginary things.
 
OP is a little teal deer, but the answer is hell no.

If even a dozen people discovered Django Reinhardt, The Ink Spots, Cole Porter, Fats Waller, Bing Crosby, Billie Holiday, or Piotr Tchaikovsky through BioShock, that's a good thing. What the player happens to be doing in the game while this music plays is irrelevant.
 
It's the "chortle chortle we're playing happy music in the midst of dire events! How ironic!" that's getting cliche and not just in videogames.

Obviously they should be playing swedish death metal during dire events... because the juxtaposition of music with other events to elicit emotion is all for hipster irony.
 
They play Tchaikovsky in BioShock?
Then game just got better.
 
I didnt read your whole post because it was a great wall. But no, thats ridiculous. I listen to Bo Diddley while I play Shogun 2, and straight edge hardcore bands when I go drinking. Problem?
 
My band plays gypsy jazz primarily, and one of the songs we do is "I Don't Want to Set the World on Fire" just because people at my college recognize it from Fallout 3. I don't think it's a disservice at all.
 
I'm more woried about the effect Bioshock has on encouraging kids to read Ayn Rand. It happened to one of my friends, he played Bioshock and decided to read Atlas Shrugged, becoming a Randroid.
Seriously? That's worse than those kids who become "communists" after playing Call of Duty- at least that made the Soviets look kinda badass! :crazyeye:
 
Cross my heart serious. Of course, I think I wacked it out of him when I started quoting from some of Ayn Rands essays I had been reading. Ayn Rand does have a use, demonstrating to teenage randroids that she is crazy.
(That old russian bat may have been contrary, but at least she was contrary in a way I can predict. "Uh oh, here comes the tirade against the government after she finished praising the Transcontinental Railroad and the Apollo Project.")
 
Cross my heart serious. Of course, I think I wacked it out of him when I started quoting from some of Ayn Rands essays I had been reading. Ayn Rand does have a use, demonstrating to teenage randroids that she is crazy.
(That old russian bat may have been contrary, but at least she was contrary in a way I can predict. "Uh oh, here comes the tirade against the government after she finished praising the Transcontinental Railroad and the Apollo Project.")

I thought Bioshock did a great job of showing how crazy that is.
 
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