Is history useless?
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Puschov. The guy who ran the counterfeiting operation on the Black Island.Traitorfish said:
I think that in the original French he was "Wronzov" or something, but nobody likes those original names anyway.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
You may say so, but I ask you to consider this important docu-song before making up your mind on the matter.
Link to video.
H4run
Deity
Ah I see. I always wonder about the avatar so it is an anime movie.
I don't quite following new anime as the newest anime that I watch is cowboy beebop when I was in highschool. And it really impress me at that time.
King Kalmah
Magyar Madness
You haven't missed much...from what I've gather from hardcore Otaku's its been tenchi muyo rip offs and high school drama stuff for the past 6 years or longer...
Cowboy Bebop is still considered number 1 after all these years...
see history does have its uses....
H4run
Deity
I think its concluded already, history is not useless, you want to closed the thread?
Yea, when I finish watch cowboy beebop, I tell to myself "ok that's it, this is a perfect closure for japanese anime". If Dachs say The Legend of Kora its not fit to be call anime.
And that also exactly what I think when I see how posmodern cowboy beebop is, a radically different time unite in the very same space in that movie; Indian tribal, american modern culture, american colonial culture, futuristic, asian culture, all of it blend, past, present and future come as one in that movie.
A deep psychology conflict of each character, hidden philosophy even it is not as explicit as Ghost In The Shell but is arguably more deeper.
Looking at the history of anime movie, I don't think it also quite fit to categorize this movie as anime, as nothing like it. Again we use history to make us arrive at this conclusion. so we do need history even for watching anime movie.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
More like Avatar isn't anime because it isn't Japanese.
sophie
Break My Heart
The art direction has a decidedly anime twinge, and the backgrounds definitely take a page from Miyazaki's playbook, but the overall animation style, the story (both on the macro and micro level), and many of the themes are unquestionably western.
Phrossack
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Eh. I (sort of) changed my mind about the subject, so I guess it has, unless someone new offers their opinion on it.
Absolution
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I just feel like I wrote it myself!
Exactly what I think!
There is NO any use of history in daily life.
History is just the best (and the longest) storybook ever.
You can compare situations, and you can say "I won't let it happen again", but you can't "learn" anything from history.
It doesn't have any benefit for the human society.
But still, I think that societies have to invest in archaeology.
History doesn't have to be revealed, but it is nice to reveal, and it is also something that societies or humans in general can be proud of.
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I think that in many places around the world, history shouldn't be taught in schools so deeply.
Normal people should know some general history from their life experience.
Just like they know about Shakespeare plays without learning about them, and just like they know about Elvis Presley songs without learning about rock n roll.
If you like history, you can read about it as much as you want, but you don't have to make people think it is important.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
What if you're taking a history class?
Or even visiting a museum? Being questioned by your child as to why something is? Deciding wo to vote for? I could go on.
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Or making conversation.
H4run
Deity
example : History is determine to decide your support and vote for a president that is pro Israel government or not pro Israel government, or not to support any of it at all.
To make a fair judgement or treatment about someone ideology, religious believe, etc so you don't act upon prejudgement or paranoid attitude hence from your poor history knowledge or your wrong understanding about their history.
Even to understand most of knowledge you sometime need to know the history about this certain knowledge, so you can get a better grasp understanding about it.
Your character and your perspective that make you who you are is a result on how you understand and believe what happen in the past that make you what you are now in present and what you aim in the future.
And arguably most public miss perception, violent, and civilization clash also results on wrong understanding of history, or manipulation toward history or how the authority dictate their story as history.
A problem between Chinese peoples, Korean with Japanese, the sentiment and all that stuff also regarding on how difference they see history. And you can add another example, which are many.
So history is not just good story that is not right at all you try to degrade it too much, then what is the difference between "Man and super man" novel by Bernard Shaw which I consider funny and nice with historical book? if it the same, tell me how is it the same?
History is an important part that shape ideology or way of life that is why it useful.
In fact, we need more historian, a good honest apolitic and fair historian.
H4run
Deity
fair historian that see at all side and all data and follow the most truth of it
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
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I don't think that that is 'the main defense of [my] profession', but here's mine, and I hope it is of some interest to you:
http://600transformer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/professor-grumpys-historical-manifesto.html
Phrossack
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I'm probably a godawful reader, and possibly a stupid one at that, but is your argument basically that history is useful because it enables us to be more rational, understanding, and skeptical? I think I get what you're saying, but I don't know how to properly explain it.
Of course, even if history's valuable, there's still the depressing and terrifying fact that the market for history professors has a large supply and a negligibly small demand. I'm afraid I'd spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and permanently lose years and years of my life on the road to a doctorate, only to find no job openings. Do you have any advice or comments on getting a job as a history professor?
