Is religion rational?

[puglover]

Well then could you attack the argument instead of calling me a troll.

His response was silly and without intellectual stimulation if you ask me.

His response was pointing out the lack of any substance in your opening post. You rarely give arguments, but you make a whole lot of unbacked assertions.

 

[Xanikk999]

His response was pointing out the lack of any substance in your opening post. You rarely give arguments, but you make a whole lot of unbacked assertions.

Claiming i have no substance when the argument is clearly valid and up to discussion is not a good way to argue.

Argue the damn thing, or dont argue at all. You guys are being the trolls not me.

 

[PrincepsAmerica]

Thats not what i said though. Nice try though.

Yeah it basically is. You fill it out with why you think it is irrational and some of your thoughts on where religion came from but nothing about what rational means in the philosophical sense and what that has to do with religion. Nor what that really means in the larger sense or even why you're right.

 

[Xanikk999]

Yeah it basically is. You fill it out with why you think it is irrational and some of your thoughts on where religion came from but nothing about what rational means in the philosophical sense and what that has to do with religion.

Instead of arguing wether my argument is an argument, why not just argue the damn argument?

My argument is rational and your inability to argue it really shows your backing out of any logical debating here.

 

[Xanikk999]

For the few people that didnt read the OP, and decided to make an ass of themselves:

I beileve certain aspects of it are.

Mainly the feeling that humans cannot explain everything in the universe, and the fear some people have of what happens after death. So they appeal to a higher power and make up some pantheon/or cosmos based around a god.

Made lots of sense back in the ancient ages, but i dont find it very rational now to try to explain many things and certain unknowns with "god did it".

Other things about religion are irrational. Some dogmas and traditions of certain religions have nothing to do with the original teachings of the religion itself, and sometimes the people who changed the religious teachings made it so that this tradition is essential to salvation.

Thats the jist of it i beileve.

If you have a problem with the argument, argue why its wrong or shut up please.

 

[Azale]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with holding hope that there is more to life than...well, our time on Earth.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Is my religion rational ? Yes
Are all religions rational ? Not 100%
Am i rational ? Some people think i'm a logics addict. So that would be a no.

 

[Bluemofia]

I vote it depends.

It's rational for people to seek out religion, as people tend to be religious by nature. But religion can (and do) make people do irrational things.

 

[puglover]

If you have a problem with the argument, argue why its wrong or shut up please.

But God is applicable to people's lives. Do you really think all Christians simply look at the world, say "God did it," and not think about what they truly believe?

 

[Xanikk999]

But God is applicable to people's lives. Do you really think all Christians simply look at the world, say "God did it," and not think about what they truly believe?

Thats what some creationists think. They deny radiometric dating and say the age of objects and old animal bones appears that way to scientists because god made it that way.

Tell me your reasoning. I wont bite.

 

[puglover]

Thats what some creationists think. They deny radiometric dating and say the age of objects and old animal bones appears that way to scientists because god made it that way.

OK, so you don't believe religion is irrational. You believe that Creationism is irrational. Why didn't you make that clear originally?

Tell me your reasoning. I wont bite.

My reasoning about what, specifically? Religion is a broad topic.

 

[Mirc]

Religion is exactly as irrational as any other system of beliefs or system of non-belief. This is to include Atheism too. The only "rational" belief is Agnosticism. You have to choose whether you believe of not. Agnosticism is "I don't know", while atheism and religion are "I do believe in this one of the two".

 

[StarWorms]

It's irrational to believe things that have nothing to support their existence. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as rational as a theistic religion.

 

[Shadylookin]

religion is the exact opposite of rational. Believing in something with no evidence or even contrary evidence requires faith which is not rational.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

IOther things about religion are irrational. Some dogmas and traditions of certain religions have nothing to do with the original teachings of the religion itself, and sometimes the people who changed the religious teachings made it so that this tradition is essential to salvation.

I agree with this. Organized religion is very different from spirituality. Religion is, in my opinion, there for those who require that kind of social interaction with others to stay true to their beliefs, or to better understand or comprehend them, but definitely not necessary for salvation.


As for the question: Is religion rational? Of course not. rationality is the realm of science.

Science tells us how, religion tells us why.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Thats what some creationists think. They deny radiometric dating and say the age of objects and old animal bones appears that way to scientists because god made it that way.

Tell me your reasoning. I wont bite.

So because a few creationists aren't all togther up top, that means that every spritual person is therefore a crazy science-denouncing nincompoop?

 

[Xanikk999]

So because a few creationists aren't all togther up top, that means that every spritual person is therefore a crazy science-denouncing nincompoop?

No i didnt say that. That was just an example i gave.

 

[puglover]

I agree with this. Organized religion is very different from spirituality. Religion is, in my opinion, there for those who require that kind of social interaction with others to stay true to their beliefs, or to better understand or comprehend them, but definitely not necessary for salvation.

That's part of it. But organized religion also gives unity. It makes clear that we are one faith growing toward one goal. Spirituality doesn't give the kind of interaction with other believers that strengthens spiritual growth.

As for the question: Is religion rational? Of course not. rationality is the realm of science.

Science tells us how, religion tells us why.

If that were the case I could believe in anything I desired. That would be a pathetic spirituality, on par with believing whatever is comfortable at the moment.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

No i didnt say that. That was just an example i gave.

Which you used as an argument for you earlier statement that religion is outdated.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

That's part of it. But organized religion also gives unity. It makes clear that we are one faith growing toward one goal. Spirituality doesn't give the kind of interaction with other believers that strengthens spiritual growth.

I disagree. Being around like-minded people does nothing to encourage our spiritual growth. Rather, encountering other belief systems, especially those that cause us to question and re-examine our own beliefs is how we grow spritually.

If that were the case I could believe in anything I desired. That would be a pathetic spirituality, on par with believing whatever is comfortable at the moment.

That's not what I said at all. Go read it again.