Is the Catholic Church an Evil Organisation, with the Pope as its Supervillain?

[Shekwan]

Now first of all this is not a joke thread, this is serious. Have some damn respect.

All I am putting forward for your esteemed consideration, is whether The Catholic Church is in fact an Evil Organisation of the type one would see in Bond Movies or Superhero franchises. The Pope is obviously the Supervillain that pulls the strings.

I mean is there any redeeming value to the operations of The Church? I really don't get what they do that enhances the lives of anyone. If you are a practising Catholic, why can't you just make do with your local religious representatives/apparatus?

Why answer to an organisation that works to further the spread of HIV in Africa, operates a global paedophile ring, and sponsors terrorism? And this is just of the top of my head! If there were any secular organisation up to these hijinks they'd be considered criminals.

I firmly believe that The Church is the Evil Organisation that fiction has warned us about. Who concurs?

 

[Disgustipated]

And you seriously believe this is not a joke thread? Please. Are you completely ignorant of catholic charities?

 

[Shekwan]

Of course I'm serious. I'm not being funny, just ignorant.

Catholic charities. OK, send me some links. I refuse to believe there is not some nefarious purpose for them, unless they're local initiatives.

 

[Cutlass]

Stephen Fry thinks so.

 

[downtown]

The Parochial School system in the United States is still the largest and (often) the best private school system in the country, and until labor costs recently skyrocketed, they provided some of the best private options for poor kids in urban cities.

 

[civ_king]

Now first of all this is not a joke thread, this is serious. Have some damn respect.

All I am putting forward for your esteemed consideration, is whether The Catholic Church is in fact an Evil Organisation of the type one would see in Bond Movies or Superhero franchises. The Pope is obviously the Supervillain that pulls the strings.

I mean is there any redeeming value to the operations of The Church? I really don't get what they do that enhances the lives of anyone. If you are a practising Catholic, why can't you just make do with your local religious representatives/apparatus?

Why answer to an organisation that works to further the spread of HIV in Africa, operates a global paedophile ring, and sponsors terrorism? And this is just of the top of my head! If there were any secular organisation up to these hijinks they'd be considered criminals.

I firmly believe that The Church is the Evil Organisation that fiction has warned us about. Who concurs?

1) What kind of supervillain is elected?
2) if people weren't so weak minded then there wouldn't be HIV spread
3) Terrorism? doesn't the current "IRA" have Marxist leanings? Catholics hate Communism
4) Why do we need the Pope? The keys to the kingdom of heaven are tied to the seat of Simon Cephas
5) An abnormal portion of sex abuse cases in the US occur by priests from Ireland
6) ~70% happened before 1970
7) how do you prosecute people who are dead
8) The Catholic Church started working on the issue in the 50s and considering 70% of cases happened 1970s or earlier it seems to have worked
9) in the US the Catholic Parochial system is typically the best in any given area (the exceptions tend to come from Upper Class areas)

 

[Ekolite]

I don't think you can really call the Pope ''elected''. None of the Cardinals who appoint him are after all. Hardly very democratic.

 

[civ_king]

I don't think you can really call the Pope ''elected''. None of the Cardinals who appoint him are after all. Hardly very democratic.

In the US senators were appointed and they elected the president, does that means all those Presidents weren't elected?

 

[Ekolite]

It's not democratic unless a vote comes at some point from the people. I'm from the UK so don't know a huge amount about the American political system, but I do know that the general population votes on who should represent them.

In the Catholic church, there is no vote from the people. It's still an election, but its not exactly democratic.

 

[azzaman333]

They do too much charity to be evil.

 

[warpus]

He does look kinda like a supervillain, you gotta admit that

But then if the catholic church is so evil, why did the last pope look so wholesome and cuddly?

 

[Gwyddelig]

Now first of all this is not a joke thread, this is serious. Have some damn respect.

All I am putting forward for your esteemed consideration, is whether The Catholic Church is in fact an Evil Organisation of the type one would see in Bond Movies or Superhero franchises. The Pope is obviously the Supervillain that pulls the strings.

You went to the Christian Brothers, didn't you.

I mean is there any redeeming value to the operations of The Church? I really don't get what they do that enhances the lives of anyone. If you are a practising Catholic, why can't you just make do with your local religious representatives/apparatus?

I've met ridiculously few Catholics who worry about what Benny might think and when caught in a tricky dilemna will do more or less exactly what you suggest if they consult some religious at all.

Why answer to an organisation that works to further the spread of HIV in Africa

Unfair and unture. They could do more to help prevent it but to say that they are working to further aids is to sensationalise something that should already be shocking enough in its milder form IMO.

operates a global paedophile ring

Again, not true. Though on this one, they migh as well have been.

sponsors terrorism?

Pfffft. A few priests with terrorist leanings is not the fault of the Vatican. For every one of those you could easily point to hundreds of priests looking to bring conflict to and end. This one is incredibly trite IMO.

On a general level, I think it's fair to say that the CC has more than enough Casear-shaped skeletons in its closet. As an organisation, it's been found wanting morally more times than it should for one that claims leadership of the world's Christian tradition. That said, it provides poor children around the wold with an education they could not otherwise afford, cares for the sick and provides spiritual and emotional comfort to millions. As more than one country has found out. When it's not around then suddnely running anyu sort of a welfare state becomes infinitely more difficult. I will grant you though that all those welfare state-style thingees come with a side-serving of doctrine.

 

[Gwyddelig]

He does look kinda like a supervillain, you gotta admit that

That man gives me the creeps.

 

[El_Machinae]

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