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[AlpsStranger]

But why could these illnesses not be caused by demons?

You're asking us to prove a negative. That's silly.

Of course nobody can exhaustively, item by item, prove that something *doesn't* occur. This is true for any crazy assertion.

But why could these illnesses not be caused by evil gnomes?

But why could these illnesses not be caused by invisible worms?

But why could these illnesses not be caused by magnets?

 

[ParkCungHee]

Well, those are all legitimate possibilities, especially by empirical standards.

The answer is not to try and prove these impossible, but to demonstrate that the medical causes of mental illness are also possible, but are uniquely actual.

 

[Masada]

doctors are all satinists

 

[Heretic_Cata]

why would you deny that demons might cause mental illnesses?

I hope you get treated by a priest instead of a doctor next time you get sick.

 

[Traitorfish]

But why could these illnesses not be caused by demons?

Is exorcism not a form of treatment? You may not agree with it... but, again, you're leaning heavily on YOUR opinion only here... to be so disdainful based on what you think is right????

 

[azzaman333]

I really liked the part where you said

Still waiting for facts...

when you're coming out with gems like this.

why would you deny that demons might cause mental illnesses?

When you post a single shred of remotely plausible and veritable evidence that demons cause mental illness, then we might have some sort of debate here that isn't you digging your own grave.

 

[ParkCungHee]

When you post a single shred of remotely plausible and veritable evidence that demons cause mental illness.

More linguistic imprecision!

The question is not whether demons cause mental illness, but whether mental illness is caused by demons.

 

[useless]

Kochmann, you are aware of studies such as Janowski et al 1972?

A study which showed how Amphetamines (which coincidently raises the levels of dopamine_ gave non-schizophrenics symptoms similar to schizophrenia, and exacerbated the schizophrenic's symptoms).

Or perhaps Timmons & Hamilton 1990 which further dwelved into amphetamines and reported that those that took them developed an acute form of psychosis called "Amphetamine psychosis". This psychosis' symptoms mirrored those of schizophrenics, even more similar was that a drug known as Chlorpromazine a drug used to treat schizophrenia, (an anti-psychotic) was also used to some success in treating the psychosis.

Continuing with Chlorpromazine, Barlow & Durrand 1995 found a 60% sucess rate in reducing (not entirely sure if it totally removed) some of the symptoms of schizophrenia (such as hallucincations and delusions) when using the drug.

These three studies give strong evidence for the chemical side of the debate.

So, as Azzaman above has said: Where's your evidence that Demonic Possession causes mental illnesses?

 

[kochman]

What are you talking about? This is grossly offensive.

If you think that it is offensive, I think you misread it.

I really liked the part where you said
when you're coming out with gems like this.
When you post a single shred of remotely plausible and veritable evidence that demons cause mental illness, then we might have some sort of debate here that isn't you digging your own grave.

I'll ask demons, who are not of this world, if they exist, to give me empirical evidence to satisfy your demand.

Kochmann, you are aware of studies such as Janowski et al 1972?

A study which showed how Amphetamines (which coincidently raises the levels of dopamine_ gave non-schizophrenics symptoms similar to schizophrenia, and exacerbated the schizophrenic's symptoms).

Or perhaps Timmons & Hamilton 1990 which further dwelved into amphetamines and reported that those that took them developed an acute form of psychosis called "Amphetamine psychosis". This psychosis' symptoms mirrored those of schizophrenics, even more similar was that a drug known as Chlorpromazine a drug used to treat schizophrenia, (an anti-psychotic) was also used to some success in treating the psychosis.

Continuing with Chlorpromazine, Barlow & Durrand 1995 found a 60% sucess rate in reducing (not entirely sure if it totally removed) some of the symptoms of schizophrenia (such as hallucincations and delusions) when using the drug.

These three studies give strong evidence for the chemical side of the debate.

So, as Azzaman above has said: Where's your evidence that Demonic Possession causes mental illnesses?

And as I said, they aren't of this world, if they exist... so, that might be tough.
There are things outside of the current scope of science.

I'm really not sure why you posted this thing about amphetamines... I think you are still misunderstanding what I said before.
I didn't say ALL mental illness is caused by demons... I said, is it not possible that some could be?

 

[useless]

There are things outside of the current scope of science.

Nice excuse.

I didn't say ALL mental illness is caused by demons... I said, is it not possible that some could be?

No. It is not. I made reference to Amphetamines, because it's an example of the chemical aspect of mental illness, rather than just resorting to simplistic, oft-false explanations such as "oh a demon made him do a bad", that are later eventually proved to be falsehoods.

 

[Traitorfish]

And as I said, they aren't of this world, if they exist... so, that might be tough.
There are things outside of the current scope of science.

In the words of the wise and mighty Dara Ó Briain, that doesn't mean that you can just fill in the gaps with whatever fairly tale most appeals to you.

 

[Camikaze]

Moderator Action: Useful discussion clearly ended some time ago.

From a few pages ago, @kochman and Traitorfish- please engage with each other more civilly.