Is this a low number? (Immgration)

[Elta]

Okay sorry If I can't find the right numbers (allthou if you check I'm sure I am right) since I am driving out to go to my graduation in reno (job corps/high school) (leaving in a half hour coming back tommorow around 7 at night)


Durring the so called elis island time people were quartintined to make sure they weren't diseased and not criminals (allthou a great deal were)

In 1905 12% of the american population were born in other places
while today it is 10% - a great deal are Illegal

Now there are something like 100,000 - 50,000 new legal migrants per year (not counting people legalised by marrige or by there parents)

do these number seem low compared to the elis isle days?

 

[ainwood]

US has what? 350 million people? An increase of 100,000 is around 0.03%.

Australia has 18 million people. They get about 600 NZers heading there every week. On a per-capita basis, thats a factor of 6 higher. So I don't think 100,000 is a lot.

 

[Winner]

US has what? 350 million people? An increase of 100,000 is around 0.03%.

Australia has 18 million people. They get about 600 NZers heading there every week. On a per-capita basis, thats a factor of 6 higher. So I don't think 100,000 is a lot.

350 million? I think it is about 300 million.

On the other hand, I wouldn't go for that "immigration per capita" statistic, it seems a little bit odd to me. "Immigration per square kilometer" would be better, IMO, unless 90% of your territory is uninhabitable, of course.

EDIT: Well, maybe it isn't as bad, if we want to measure the cultural stress the immigration causes to the native population.

 

[Sidhe]

Everythings bigger in America didn't you know that Winner

If I may ask: why do you want to know about immigration?

 

[Tycoon101]

If I may ask: why do you want to know about immigration?

To know the number of illegals who breach our borders each year.

And that number only counts the LEGAL migrants, not the ILLEGAL migrants I believe, so it is faulty.

 

[Sidhe]

To know the number of illegals who breach our borders each year.

And that number only counts the LEGAL migrants, not the ILLEGAL migrants I believe, so it is faulty.

No **** Sherlock, I think it vaguely mentions that somewhere I meant are you doing a book report, or are you intending on putting up a thread about the issue of immigration, or is it just for your own personal amusement?

 

[potatokiosk]

There was 83 million people in America back in 1905, so the population has more than tripled in the past century. America was about the same size then, so the population density had more than tripled. Despite that, immigrants continue to come in increasing numbers. If anything, immigration is increasing and the country is getting more crowded, although the impact on the culture is lessening.

 

[warmonger]

In the last population census in Australia 23% of the population clainmed to be born in a country other than Australia and a further 25% had at least one parent that was born in a country other than Australia.

Now Australia is a young country (European colonisation started in 1788) with independance (of a sort) from the mother land in 1901. But this is still almost half the population having recent immigrant links.

This makes the US figure seem very low - and it claims to be the great melting pot.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Warmonger, you can't compare the United States with Australia, which is a country a lot younger !

Australia started to get peopled during the 20th century, that's far to be the case of the United States, which is getting old despite their legendary youth. The US were as peopled in 1750 as Australia was in 1930. I don't have official figures, but I guess that's not far from the truth.

As to immigration in the US, I'm sure there are more than 100,000 people arriving yearly in that country.

France's immigration has never been as low as today since the 40's. And despite our low immigration, I guess we aren't far from 100,000 new arrivals yearly. That's just to show how low is that figure, it sounds obvious to me that that's well below the truth in the US.

 

[jamiethearcher]

Okay sorry If I can't find the right numbers (allthou if you check I'm sure I am right) since I am driving out to go to my graduation in reno (job corps/high school) (leaving in a half hour coming back tommorow around 7 at night)


Durring the so called elis island time people were quartintined to make sure they weren't diseased and not criminals (allthou a great deal were)

In 1905 12% of the american population were born in other places
while today it is 10% - a great deal are Illegal

Now there are something like 100,000 - 50,000 new legal migrants per year (not counting people legalised by marrige or by there parents)

do these number seem low compared to the elis isle days?

I am pretty sure its closer to half a million that come in legally. - Something like 480,000 Non marriage green cards are allowed to be issued each year (and they go to the max just about every year i beleive) , and I am not sure how many marriage green cards are issued each year, but there is no limit on them.

EDIT: and thats not including temporary work visas, like the H1-B, which is good for 3 years, and an additional 3 year extension- ALOT of these get issued every year, but I dont know if you are counting these in your figures, as they are only temporary.

 

[Paradigne]

According to CIA factbbook, the US population is 298,444,215 (July 2006 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

According to the US Department of Justice, LEGAL immigrants numbered 1,064,318

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/archives/IMM2001.pdf

There are no official numbers regarding illegal immigration because no one knows for sure (they don't exactly fill out census reports), but estimates range from 200,000/ year up to over 1,000,000 a year with 'most' estimates saying 400,000 being reasonable.

On a side note. I know my best friend had to send his son to private school because the public school in his area was going to teach ONLY in spanish. Meaning he would have had to learn spanish BEFORE learning anything at the school.

I also no that in the Houston area the taxapyers spent $97 million in unreimbursed hospital bills accrued by illegal immigrants, which is already suffering from lack of police.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/immigration/3977695.html

EDIT Legal immigrants were based on 2001 info

 

[Winner]

Something interesting, this time about immigration to Europe:

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/po...i_as&root=sdi_as/sdi_as/sdi_as_dem/sdi_as1220

(download that graph in the upper left corner, it is in pdf)

It looks like that immigration to Europe is skyrocketing: from about 500,000 migrants in 1997 to about 2,000,000 migrants in 2003.

Oh my God! I wouldn't have thought it is so bad! Especially when most of these migrants are from poor areas of North Africa. Something has to be done in order to significantly reduce that number, it is not sustainable. Just look at that, the immigration is far larger source of new people than the natural fertility of European population. If we'll continue like this, we'll be islamized before the end of 21st century.

 

[7ronin]

Durring the so called elis island time people were quartintined to make sure they weren't criminals (allthou a great deal were)

Do you have any facts to back this up? By the way its Ellis Island.

 

[Elta]

Do you have any facts to back this up? By the way its Ellis Island.

America: Pathways To The Present
by Present hall

/my 11th grade U.S. history book
Offical site (I think): http://www.phschool.com/atschool/pathways/
The google search: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...pathways+to+the+present+prentice+hall&spell=1

It's got some nice info in it I'll take a picture to substantiate the stuff I posted ....now where is that digital camera

 

[Elta]

Do you have any facts to back this up? By the way its Ellis Island.

I just realised I didn't type that out right
quartintined to make sure they had no contagious diseases and asked questions to see that they were not criminals.
Allthou (and this isn't a book but every history teacher I've ever had said this)
alot of countrys in europe sent there criminals to the U.S. (and other places in the americas) to save them money (instead of jailing them and paying 4 it)

 

[Flak]

In 1905 12% of the american population were born in other places
while today it is 10% - a great deal are Illegal

This statement doesn't make sense. If you are born in the United States, you are automatically a citizen and 'legal'.

quartintined to make sure they had no contagious diseases and asked questions to see that they were not criminals.
Allthou (and this isn't a book but every history teacher I've ever had said this)
alot of countrys in europe sent there criminals to the U.S. (and other places in the americas) to save them money (instead of jailing them and paying 4 it)

Well since you can't provide a link to this nonsense, maybe one of your teachers can? Why don't you go ask?

 

[Elta]

This statement doesn't make sense. If you are born in the United States, you are automatically a citizen and 'legal'.



Well since you can't provide a link to this nonsense, maybe one of your teachers can? Why don't you go ask?

I said american population meaning people who live in america not citizens

And agian like I said I am going to try and take the digital camera and take pictures of the Ellis Isle stuff

 

[Sidhe]

Something interesting, this time about immigration to Europe:

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/po...i_as&root=sdi_as/sdi_as/sdi_as_dem/sdi_as1220

(download that graph in the upper left corner, it is in pdf)

It looks like that immigration to Europe is skyrocketing: from about 500,000 migrants in 1997 to about 2,000,000 migrants in 2003.

Oh my God! I wouldn't have thought it is so bad! Especially when most of these migrants are from poor areas of North Africa. Something has to be done in order to significantly reduce that number, it is not sustainable. Just look at that, the immigration is far larger source of new people than the natural fertility of European population. If we'll continue like this, we'll be islamized before the end of 21st century.

Both this quote and the quote underneath by aneeshm appear to be the product of poor education on the subjects at hand, in fact it sounds like you've been listening to too much raccist bile, if you would like however to remain a rational human being I suggest you provide links to this half baked nonsensical posit that we'll be Islamised by the 21st century, instead of spouting your opinion as if it was Gods righteous truth. Possibly the most ignorant post I've ever seen on CFC is aneeshm's which you quote as if it's a fundemental truth of Islam, yours is a close second.

I suggest you follow Silver's advice.

 

[Elta]

This statement doesn't make sense. If you are born in the United States, you are automatically a citizen and 'legal'.



Well since you can't provide a link to this nonsense, maybe one of your teachers can? Why don't you go ask?

Is wiki okay?

Ellis Island was the first stop for most immigrants from Europe. There, they were processed before they could enter the United States. First, they had to pass a physical examination. Those with serious health problems or diseases were sent home or were held in the island's hospital facilities for long periods of time. Next, they were asked a series of questions, including name, occupation, work experience, and the amount of money they carried with them. Generally, those immigrants who were approved spent from hours up to a day at Ellis Island.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Island
I couldn't find anything on the criminal thing.
*shrugs* go ahead and ask any US history professer I am sure the'll agree hell even my great grandfather came here from italy to stay out of jail for stealing some chickens (he was 12)

 

[Homie]

Both this quote and the quote underneath by aneeshm appear to be the product of poor education on the subjects at hand, in fact it sounds like you've been listening to too much raccist bile, if you would like however to remain a rational human being I suggest you provide links to this half baked nonsensical posit that we'll be Islamised by the 21st century, instead of spouting your opinion as if it was Gods righteous truth. Possibly the most ignorant post I've ever seen on CFC is aneeshm's which you quote as if it's a fundemental truth of Islam, yours is a close second.

I suggest you follow Silver's advice.

But it is not only the numbers that say this, living in any Western European nation for the last 20 years you will have noticed (expecially if you live in a big city) the huge change in the demographics. There are alot more immigrants, and they are almost all from muslim nations. Mohammed is the 2nd most popular name in Norway today, and apart from the state Church (which is largely composed of non-belivers following what they consider a name-calling ceremony which is baptism) Islam is the biggest religious entity. I should note though that if you add up all the Christian denominations they ae certainly more numerous than the muslims, still.

Maybe you should consider that he is just calling it as it is, instead of dismissing it because it doesn't sound good to you.