Is this the end of liberalism?

[civman110]

No, I'm a liberal and a progressive. I agree with the concept of social justice. I think these people are more right than wrong but that the wrongness is frustrating. I agree there will be a snap-back--it's already happening. But then after the snap-back it will adjust course a few degrees and continue forward. I look forward to the adjustment.

How do you suppose so? Are the lefties going to "snap-back" by fighting the crazies in their own party by adopting Conservative principles and doing away with nonsense like "micro aggressions," "safe spaces," and political correctness.

or

Are lefties going to allow these ideologies to continue? and surely implode.

Either way things are coming back to the right.

I think about BLM during the Republican debate, it couldn't even be discussed because anyone with a halfways reasonable insight into the problem would get eviscerated.

BLM is mad at the Democrats, not the Republicans. They've been showing up at Democratic events.

 

[El_Machinae]

Haha, no. They show up to the Democrat events because they think the Democrats will help them.

My point is that a fairly important social event cannot even be discussed during the GOP primaries, because any candidate will get torched by the right wing if he/she shows the least bit insight into the issues regarding BLM. The best they could do if they wanted to win the primaries would be to attack some strawman variant of the BLM message. And then the mainstream press would kick their sorry tails during the actual elections.

There's a reason for the silence, and it's the same thing you're talking about - fear of cannibalism.

 

[civman110]

Haha, no. They show up to the Democrat events because they think the Democrats will help them.

I can post videos. They are showing up angry. They aren't coming for help.

It's just another example of one liberal group fighting other liberals. I'm just waiting for the feminist and Muslim fight, or the homosexuals and Muslims imminent debacle. The BLM, Planned Parenthood and feminist fight will be entertaining.

 

[El_Machinae]

I'm going to right out and say that you're missing the meta-level communication. Why do you think they're not coming to Republican events?

Sure, they're mad at the Democrats for not helping enough. They don't even expect the Republicans to do anything but justify further oppressions.

But again, BLM is a fairly large social issue in the modern day. And the Republican candidates are going to be mostly quiet about it. They have to be. You're not seeing the self-imposed restriction on talking about it, but ho-boy it's there.

 

[civman110]

I'm going to right out and say that you're missing the meta-level communication. Why do you think they're not coming to Republican events?

They haven't been because they are angry at the Democrats for lying to them and doing nothing but make the situation worse. They are further in poverty now than when Obama took office. They had better employment with Bush. Some Blacks don't like the Hispanic immigration. Some don't like Planned Parenthood. There many reasons for it, but I think the main thing is that they are mad at the Democrats.

But again, BLM is a fairly large social issue in the modern day. And the Republican candidates are going to be mostly quiet about it. They have to be. You're not seeing the self-imposed restriction on talking about it, but ho-boy it's there.

Republican candidates haven't been quiet about it. They bring up the Black Community and Planned Parenthood quite often. Ben Carson talks about it all the time and many other issues. The level of Black unemployment doubling under Obama is mentioned repeatedly by mostly all of the candidates.

You must only get your information from one side of the political spectrum.

 

[.Shane.]

Yes, a few people end up yelling at each other at Ivy League USA and, therefore all of "liberalism" (whatever that is) is coming to an end. Top shelf analysis.

 

[madviking]

You must only get your information from one side of the political spectrum.

pot, meet kettle

 

[civman110]

Yes, a few people end up yelling at each other at Ivy League USA and, therefore all of "liberalism" (whatever that is) is coming to an end. Top shelf analysis.

Liberals fighting other liberals with their own ideologies is becoming a trend.

They created a monster!


Link to video.

 

[Akka]

there's a difference that i feel people aren't seeing.

one type of offense is caused by someone doing nothing wrong: your t swizzle example; the women (could be t swizzle) who frightens abradley in the bathroom for whatever reason. whatever the case, t swizzle is doing nothing wrong by releasing her music or being in a unisex bathroom.

the other type of offense is caused by someone who is doing something wrong. like wearing a stupid, insensitive costume. in this case, people who get offended by this are justified, as the idiot wearing the costume could as very easily wear a non-insensitive costume.

What you're doing here is simply labelling "wrong" what suits you and "not wrong" what doesn't. It's just proving the point you're trying to disprove...

 

[madviking]

What you're doing here is simply labelling "wrong" what suits you and "not wrong" what doesn't. It's just proving the point you're trying to disprove...

i made further clarifications in a later post.

 

[.Shane.]

Liberals fighting other liberals with their own ideologies is becoming a trend.

They created a monster!

lol, whatever.

This is like listening to conservatives go on and on about how "real America" is being destroyed, which is what they've been saying since 1800.

Debate is a healthy part of moving forward. No ideology is universal.

 

[JollyRoger]

I am here to tell you that my right hand is a lot more perverted than my left hand. It tells you everything you need to know about the degenerate morals of the right.

 

[Akka]

i made further clarifications in a later post.

Yeah, I read them.
Basically "one is right because it's right, the other is wrong because I decided to apply some arbitrary standards to declare it's different".

Sorry, not convinced.

 

[madviking]

Yeah, I read them.

debatable.

Basically "one is right because it's right, the other is wrong because I decided to apply some arbitrary standards to declare it's different".

Sorry, not convinced.

one is wrong because it fundamentally requires other people, and if those people think it's wrong (not me), then it's wrong.

 

[Hygro]

How do you suppose so? Are the lefties going to "snap-back" by fighting the crazies in their own party by adopting Conservative principles and doing away with nonsense like "micro aggressions," "safe spaces," and political correctness.

or

Are lefties going to allow these ideologies to continue? and surely implode.

Either way things are coming back to the right.



BLM is mad at the Democrats, not the Republicans. They've been showing up at Democratic events.

No, they're going to burn out after a while and all will be well. And then we can have a social justice push that's not as laden with hyperbole and double standards. History is on a one way trip to forward.

 

[Cutlass]

Conservatives aren't the one's that are going around telling everyone what they can and can't say, or what they are allowed to wear for Halloween, or banning the press from university campuses.

Also this is leftists doing this stuff to other leftists mind you!

Point to a second in the last 6000 years when conservatives weren't going around telling everyone what they can and can't say or dress or do. Just one second.

 

[civman110]

No, they're going to burn out after a while and all will be well. And then we can have a social justice push that's not as laden with hyperbole and double standards. History is on a one way trip to forward.

How do you suppose they are going to "burn out" when the universities keep giving into their demands - reinforcing their lunatic behaviour?

Perhaps these unreasonable people will all get hit on the head and suddenly become reasonable overnight, although I have never seen a real case of this ever happening. They are much more likely to double down. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Hygro]

a) It's happened before
b) I live in Berkeley. It's like living in the UK and predicting American top 40 months in advance--the European side of British top 40 becomes American top 40 about 6 months later. Or like living in Berlin and predicting what techno is going to be like in San Francisco: you're living 3 years ahead.

I'm at the heart of the whole thing. One of my jobs, as an RA at Cal was to explicitly promote social justice ideology.

Living in Berkeley is like seeing where the rest country will be in 5-20 years.

I don't see the social justicists hijacking the actual trend toward increasing social justice. I do see a lot more white and black kids hanging out in elementary schools, and people eating well. There will be more pushes to rectify

Story time!

My older brother was mugged inside Berkeley High School by two men in their 20s, about 17 years ago. The principal at the time said "well that's what happens blah blah blah you're white blah blah blah 400 years of oppression" and did nothing to correct the situation. (No this is not "reverse racism", ) She blamed his privilege for his getting hurt. That's where the mainstream of this movement is at (aka Yale, aka mainstream powerful America): where the principal was 17 years ago. Meanwhile, in Berkeley High School today, the school is more integrated than ever and the current principal would not stand for that.

Because we're over that nonsense. We are down to fight oppression and recognize privilege but then actually be cool about what to do next.

 

[civman110]

a) It's happened before
b) I live in Berkeley. It's like living in the UK and predicting American top 40 months in advance--the European side of British top 40 becomes American top 40 about 6 months later. Or like living in Berlin and predicting what techno is going to be like in San Francisco: you're living 3 years ahead.

Europe is moving right as well, much further right than the US is now, so you're saying that trend is going to happen here too? Interesting.

They are also having the same kind of infighting among liberals.

I don't see the social justicists hijacking the actual trend toward increasing social justice. I do see a lot more white and black kids hanging out in elementary schools, and people eating well.

There's more racial divisiveness than ever, especially in Europe and according to you that is going to come here.

The SJWs didn't hijack Social Justice, they were always a part of that. They are just following liberal ideology.

 

[Hygro]

I edited the post so there's more content but it's clear you're not reading all the way through.

I explicitly and only talked about Europe to make a music trends analogy. This does not some extrapolate into social trends. I don't know why you're bringing it up.


Similarly, I'm telling you Berkeley, not Europe, is the harbinger of American social trends.