Is this the end of liberalism?

[useless]

She fought for social justice, thats the very definition of a social justice warrior!

 

[aelf]

Yeah, she was making trouble and was being an irritant. Pretty much also part of the definition of an SJW according to people who like to use terms like SJW seriously.

 

[madviking]

A woman who challenged the status quo? Absolutely, she'd probably been labelled many (unrepeatable) things both by the manosphere and the racists (if the latter existed at that time).

not to mention that she refused to give up her bus seat. these yale protesters best check their privilege.

 

[Phrossack]

Yeah no, I wouldn't stoop so low to call her a SJW.

She wasn't a cishetwhite male who claimed the right to speak on behalf of women and people of color everywhere and who constantly wrote diatribes against her hated enemies, that's for sure.

 

[useless]

She wasn't a cishetwhite male who claimed the right to speak on behalf of women and people of color everywhere and who constantly wrote diatribes against her hated enemies, that's for sure.

She wasn't a strawman stereotype, thats for sure!

 

[warpus]

She fought for social justice, thats the very definition of a social justice warrior!

No it isn't, a "social justice warrior" is an insult used to describe those who harm social justice rather than help it.

It would be an insulting disservice to call Rosa Parks a SJW.

 

[useless]

Nah man she was an sjw, you don't have to like it, but she was a warrior for social justice, also sjw shouldn't be an insult because everyone should be a warrior for social justice, fighting for equality.

 

[Hygro]

No it isn't, a "social justice warrior" is an insult used to describe those who harm social justice rather than help it.

It would be an insulting disservice to call Rosa Parks a SJW.

You're operating from a very strange understanding of the entire phenomenon of the term SJW.

 

[Nexlev]

I think a better example of a SJW of the past would be John Lennon. Constantly virtue signalling his pure soul, imagine... there's no countries <3. Useless POS who affected exactly no real change and beat his wife and kid. Good songwriter though.

 

[warpus]

Google SJW. Here are the first couple hits:

Social justice warrior. Well SJW originally referred to the crazy tumblr types who would say things like "White people wearing dreadlocks is cultural appropriation", or "I was mentally raped by a man yesterday because he looked at me in the subway". That sort of thing.

Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, o....

Social Justice Warrior is a pejorative label applied to bloggers, activists and commentators who are prone to engage in lengthy and hostile debates against others on a range of issues concerning social injustice, identity politics and political correctness..

It's an insult and that's how people use it. That's not strange, that's just reality.

 

[Hygro]

Don't you think it's a little circular when a politically motivated group makes up a term based on a strawman that they then apply to a bunch of folks who are not the strawman but are what made term-creators angry and motivated enough to give them a name, to then turn around say the definition is "reality" when those definitions are provided by the people who made up the term?

 

[Nexlev]

Are you referring to a specific politically motivated straw-man, or just politically motivated straw-men in general?

 

[Hygro]

I'm talking about SJW as applied, with regards to who created the term, who picked the term up, and why.

 

[warpus]

Sorry, I don't follow what you're saying.

As far as I can see "SJW" is an insult used by some people to mock those who go out of their way to hurt "social justice", while at the same time proclaiming to fight for it.

I've never seen this term (SJW) used in a positive light, and a quick googling seems to confirm that most people use it as an insult.

I really doubt Rosa Parks would want to be called a SJW with all that mind. But, having said all that, what do you think I am missing?

 

[Hygro]

That kind of people who call today's "SJWs" SJWs would have called Rosa Parks an SJW if she were doing her thing today. So when we're call her an SJW we're actually saying "as used, SJW is not a valid pejorative but instead a signifier of one's being against those who advocate for social justice". So we're calling a bunch of heroes SJWs because we're pointing out the absurdity of the validity of the term as used.

 

[warpus]

I disagree with that mainly because those who are called SJWs today don't seem to fight for social justice at all. The people who are being called SJWs (from what I've seen) just sit online and whine about insignificant nonsense all day instead of actually getting out there and making a positive change.

Again, I'm just going by how the term is used. I see it only ever used as an insult against not those who actually fight for social justice, such as perhaps someone like Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King or say Bernie Sanders. People like that are never termed a SJW from what I've seen. The term seems to be reserved for those who complain about cultural appropriation of blues music, people who say that it's impossible to be racist against some races, and people who say things like "white men die".

Rosa Parks was fighting against actual social injustice, and I have no idea what the people of the time would call her. They would probably insult her, sure. But why would we insult her today? There's no need for it, and there's no need for us to call her a SJW - which seems to be exclusively used as an insult against those who hurt social justice, instead of the opposite.

 

[Phrossack]

That kind of people who call today's "SJWs" SJWs would have called Rosa Parks an SJW if she were doing her thing today. So when we're call her an SJW we're actually saying "as used, SJW is not a valid pejorative but instead a signifier of one's being against those who advocate for social justice". So we're calling a bunch of heroes SJWs because we're pointing out the absurdity of the validity of the term as used.

I absolutely would not have called a woman who simply refused to give up her seat to an openly white-supremacist system an SJW. The sort of people who have earned that label are, by and large, slacktivists, not activists, and furious keyboard crusaders with a set of warped, repugnant, and hypocritical views on justice and equality, and who use terms like "manosphere" and "mansplaining" unironically. They accuse their enemies of being MRA sexist patriarchal white supremacists, whether or not the label fits. And, on this site, they are almost without exception young cishetwhite males who claim for themselves the right to speak for women and non-white people while simultaneously claiming that the only views on feminism and racism that matter are from women and non-whites.

You can see why Rosa Parks would not fit that label by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Sommerswerd]

It seems like in the minds of those who use "SJW" in a derogative way, the difference between what people pejoratively call SJWs and say "Civil Rights Activists" are that the latter put themselves, their blood, their treasure, their freedom at risk, while the former do not, earning the sarcastic "Warrior" label.

 

[JollyRoger]

WWSJWJD?

 

[sophie]

It seems like in the minds of those who use "SJW" in a derogative way, the difference between what people pejoratively call SJWs and say "Civil Rights Activists" are that the latter put themselves, their blood, their treasure, their freedom at risk, while the former do not, earning the sarcastic "Warrior" label.

Except Black Lives Matters protesters are often called SJWs.