Israeli Forests

[Mouthwash]

That's a pretty vague description. It could describe both the State of Israel and the African-American civil rights movement, sure, but it could also describe a hospital, or, like, some bread.

You're definitely not doing any semantic arguing here.

(That's a joke. See, it's funny because you are.)

The analogy that was drawn assumes that Israel represents the same thing to Jews in a predominantly gentile society as civil rights organisations represent to black people in a predominantly white society, and that seems to me both a pretty deep misapprehension of either how non-Israel Jews relate to the State of Israel, how black people relate to civil rights organisations, or both.

I don't think it represents the same thing precisely, but it definitely matters to most Jews and could potentially matter a whole lot more. Based on the treatment of Jews across a very long period of time, over a very wide area, you don't see any reason why having a Jewish-controlled refuge for Jews might be important?

Hard to see why. You don't get to declare that you've won the argument just because you have the loudest voice in the room.

I'm saying that someone's support or rejection of a political movement ought to be judged differently based upon the real-world circumstances, and you think it's 'hard to see why?'

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

You don't get to declare that you've won the argument just because you have the loudest voice in the room.

Hold up now, when did this become a rule!!!

 

[Senethro]

I wonder what the limits on the use of the The Good Of All Jewry are as a justification. How much inconvenience may be inflicted on others in pursuit of this highest of goals.

 

[Silurian]

Well if some dies in my town in a car crash it is likely to be in the local news.
If the car crash happens on the other side of the country you will not here about it but could well here about a single murder or a multiple car crash.
In a neighboring country more people are going to have to die to make the news.
On the other side of the planet many more.

The same goes for time.
And with that the goodwill that comes from bad things that were done to you many years ago count for less than the bad things you do now.

 

[Tigranes]

50+ people (including 6 children) protesting at the apartheid fence at Gaza have been killed today, the day US moved her embassy to Jerusalem. I was listening in the car to the spokesperson to Israeli prime-minister, who was unapologetic about killings, and the grotesque cynicism of his words almost caused me to into accident: "What kind of people send 7 year old girl to die at the border fence". Excuse me, she does not just die because someone brought her to protest. She was not shot in self defense by highly trained IDF snipers because she threw stones or Molotov cocktails, or burned tires. She could be killed because apartheid forces know that for the people who make decisions in this world her death does not even deserve an apology/regret/condolences from the Israeli spokesperson. What a twisted world are we living in? Ironically just yesterday I was watching 24 jours about Parisian anti-Semitic gang who tortured and killed Jewish salesman in 2006. That terrible tragedy deserved a movie, which moved me to the core. But there will be no 50+ movies after today's massacre in Gaza, you can really count on that, my friends

 

[Silurian]

A great day for Israel.

 

[Mouthwash]

So I guess this is the official Tigranes' Thread For Condemning Israel now. Honestly, just start a blog or something.

 

[innonimatu]

Why, those brave israeli soldiers have not had a war since they got their ass handed to them in Lebanon. With all the warmongering against Iran going on they must hone their skills again. Palestinian children make for good target practice: small and moving around. Why don't you understand Israel's needs?

We can have a thread about how Israel is currently busy massacring Palestinians why approach the fence of the concentration camp they are held in, Mouthwash. The international media has finally ceased ingoing it...

 

[Traitorfish]

So I guess this is the official Tigranes' Thread For Condemning Israel now. Honestly, just start a blog or something.

Your government just slaughtered dozens of innocent people for no particular reason. If there's a time to condemn Israel, surely it would be now?

 

[Mouthwash]

Your government just slaughtered dozens of innocent people for no particular reason.

Hamas doesn't agree with you.

 

[Traitorfish]

I'm happy to say that Hamas and the IDF are both barbarians, if that's what you're looking for.

 

[r16]

back in the good old days or whatever you could always expect "average Armenian hate average Israeli" for the latter's support for "keeping" Ankara out of trouble of "charges" . But , even if but can be a very bad word at most unexpected times , the loser Westerners do fail the comprehend the logic behind sniper fire . Even we barbarians use water cannons , right ? Not water in Israel ? Why , you could always drive it from the Med , which is unlikely to dry up ? The people of Gazze could at least have a shower ?

 

[Silurian]

Maybe the Palestinians should plant a forest of olive, date etc trees on their side of the fence to provide food and work.

But Israel would kill the trees.

 

[r16]

trees cover routes of infiltration , so yeah basically none of them would grow taller than an inch .

 

[Paul in Saudi]

When Spiro Agnew was Vice President, Israel named a forest after him. I wonder if they have renamed it after some more recent friend. I was a kid when they did it. Even then I thought it was quite a minimal gesture.