JFC-2: Genghis Pope
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1 1703 - the divine wind comes out and sinks a Caravel that I didn't realize we had around Sakhalin.
4 1712 - Golden age ends.
Persia asks us to declare on India. India is disliked by most, Friendly to us, and would probably forgive a little thing like a war declaration or two, but also a pretty good trade partner. I'm not sure, and I decline. India doesn't have Christianity yet. "We should choose our sides carefully". Yes, we should.
We get a great Prophet. I suspect that our empire is large enough, and the game is late enough, that great people are at this point best saved for lightbulbs or golden ages. So I put him to sleep him in our capital. We now have two prophets sleeping, so even though we have Angkor Wat, I adjust our active specialists in an attempt to balance it for golden ages.
Leading with a CR3 Cannon from Beijing, raze Kisi at a loss of one Cannon. Decent city, but I want the second condition, which we get. I might have wanted to use our UP in Japan, but I don't have visibility there, so I don't know the city layout, and I figure Kyoto and Tokyo are probably keepers. Japan won't cap now, not surprising.
We do now have a bit of a navy, coming around Korea to transport the Kisi army into the rising sun.
5 1715 - our ancestors smile on us for razing Kisi and another GA begins. (I guess the raze count was one higher than I thought
).
Athens finishes its Christian monastery and goes into a missionary loop.
Lose a Cuirassier trying to pick off a stupid Japanes partisan. Our stack is 25 units, so it's not like it matters, but our losses are so few as to be noteworthy.
6 1718 - Nationalism in. I spaced out on the Khmer, and even though we have 1.5 techs on him, can't trade him for Military Science. I switch him from Education to Chemistry. Mil Sci is 3 turns for us, but maybe I can still save a turn or two.)
India and Persia make peace.
I get a glimpse of Japan. He has Kyoto(11), Tokyo (13), and Niigata (7) on the Copper in between. It would be reasonable to raze Tokyo and get the other two for free, but the better dotmap keeps the big ones and razes Niigata. I figure, capture two, raze one, and hopefully cap him before he collapses. Or just let him collapse, I guess. He does actually have a navy, with Galleons, large enough to sink ours in his ports, but he's not using it, so I land the first part of our force on the hill southwest of Kyoto. The Iron hill in between Kyoto and Niigata is garrisoned. This also allows the preliminary force we had encamped in southern Japan join up with the main one.
Although Japan has Galleons, he doesn't appear to know Gunpowder.
I'm checking every turn for capitulation, since he might well collapse before agreeing to it.
7 1721 - a few units are on the way to Germany, but unfortunately I doubt we'll have time to invade them before the next tech level, so I queue up a couple key buildings (like, Bank+Observatory) in various cities, even Ulaan-Ude and Beijing.
8 1724 - the divine wind attacks our third wave and does sink a couple ships, but fortunately our Caravels defend instead of our Galleons (??) and it is they who get sunk.
First missionary goes to Apollonia, which cancels the Library it was building for a Christian Monastery instead.
Education+40 to Surya saves us one turn on Military Science. I start Chemistry to unlock the military techs (maybe we can do Germany with Machine Guns + Cannons?) and set Surya on Economics, intending to backtrade for Economics and then Corporation.
I'm going to take Kyoto next turn, and we have a little bit of Emancipation weariness, so I switch to Emancipation + Occupation even though we're in a Golden Age. Hey, at least the GA will mitigate the instability from the anarchy. Also, Occupation may help with instability we're getting from Athens and Apollonia (anyone know how that works?)
9 1727 - A couple Caravels attack but our Galleons beat them off.
Capture Kyoto. Sure wish we were in Slavery to whip the Theatre
, but what can you do. Japan... wait for it... will not capitulate.
10 1730 - second missionary completes and I look around for someone to infect. We want our core cities, of course, but..
Well, Turkey is next door. DP with France. Generally liked. I give him Optics. I forget where we were before, but now we're at +4 trade. No dice. We have -4 for trading with his worst enemy, who I think might be India. Education is not quite widely known enough for me to give it to him (France, Persia, Vikings, Russia still want it - although I'm sure they'll get it very soon) - so I leave him alone for now, and send the Missionary back east.
Our front wave moves up to Niigata and the rear wave moves into Kyoto.
Roster back to normal
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4 1712 - Golden age ends.
Persia asks us to declare on India. India is disliked by most, Friendly to us, and would probably forgive a little thing like a war declaration or two, but also a pretty good trade partner. I'm not sure, and I decline. India doesn't have Christianity yet. "We should choose our sides carefully". Yes, we should.
We get a great Prophet. I suspect that our empire is large enough, and the game is late enough, that great people are at this point best saved for lightbulbs or golden ages. So I put him to sleep him in our capital. We now have two prophets sleeping, so even though we have Angkor Wat, I adjust our active specialists in an attempt to balance it for golden ages.
Leading with a CR3 Cannon from Beijing, raze Kisi at a loss of one Cannon. Decent city, but I want the second condition, which we get. I might have wanted to use our UP in Japan, but I don't have visibility there, so I don't know the city layout, and I figure Kyoto and Tokyo are probably keepers. Japan won't cap now, not surprising.
We do now have a bit of a navy, coming around Korea to transport the Kisi army into the rising sun.
5 1715 - our ancestors smile on us for razing Kisi and another GA begins. (I guess the raze count was one higher than I thought
).Athens finishes its Christian monastery and goes into a missionary loop.
Lose a Cuirassier trying to pick off a stupid Japanes partisan. Our stack is 25 units, so it's not like it matters, but our losses are so few as to be noteworthy.
6 1718 - Nationalism in. I spaced out on the Khmer, and even though we have 1.5 techs on him, can't trade him for Military Science. I switch him from Education to Chemistry. Mil Sci is 3 turns for us, but maybe I can still save a turn or two.)
India and Persia make peace.
I get a glimpse of Japan. He has Kyoto(11), Tokyo (13), and Niigata (7) on the Copper in between. It would be reasonable to raze Tokyo and get the other two for free, but the better dotmap keeps the big ones and razes Niigata. I figure, capture two, raze one, and hopefully cap him before he collapses. Or just let him collapse, I guess. He does actually have a navy, with Galleons, large enough to sink ours in his ports, but he's not using it, so I land the first part of our force on the hill southwest of Kyoto. The Iron hill in between Kyoto and Niigata is garrisoned. This also allows the preliminary force we had encamped in southern Japan join up with the main one.
Although Japan has Galleons, he doesn't appear to know Gunpowder.
I'm checking every turn for capitulation, since he might well collapse before agreeing to it.
7 1721 - a few units are on the way to Germany, but unfortunately I doubt we'll have time to invade them before the next tech level, so I queue up a couple key buildings (like, Bank+Observatory) in various cities, even Ulaan-Ude and Beijing.
8 1724 - the divine wind attacks our third wave and does sink a couple ships, but fortunately our Caravels defend instead of our Galleons (??) and it is they who get sunk.
First missionary goes to Apollonia, which cancels the Library it was building for a Christian Monastery instead.
Education+40 to Surya saves us one turn on Military Science. I start Chemistry to unlock the military techs (maybe we can do Germany with Machine Guns + Cannons?) and set Surya on Economics, intending to backtrade for Economics and then Corporation.
I'm going to take Kyoto next turn, and we have a little bit of Emancipation weariness, so I switch to Emancipation + Occupation even though we're in a Golden Age. Hey, at least the GA will mitigate the instability from the anarchy. Also, Occupation may help with instability we're getting from Athens and Apollonia (anyone know how that works?)
9 1727 - A couple Caravels attack but our Galleons beat them off.
Capture Kyoto. Sure wish we were in Slavery to whip the Theatre
, but what can you do. Japan... wait for it... will not capitulate.10 1730 - second missionary completes and I look around for someone to infect. We want our core cities, of course, but..
Well, Turkey is next door. DP with France. Generally liked. I give him Optics. I forget where we were before, but now we're at +4 trade. No dice. We have -4 for trading with his worst enemy, who I think might be India. Education is not quite widely known enough for me to give it to him (France, Persia, Vikings, Russia still want it - although I'm sure they'll get it very soon) - so I leave him alone for now, and send the Missionary back east.
Our front wave moves up to Niigata and the rear wave moves into Kyoto.
Roster back to normal
Jet Khan - played
Úmarth Khan - up
Legendre Khan - on deck
AnotherPacifist Khan
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Úmarth
Megalomaniac
Got it. Are you sure we want to vassalise Japan? Someone mentioned earlier that we should be careful in choosing our vassals and the way I see it we have Japan's best cities, they might collapse anyway without Honshu, we're not running Viceroyalty, and so it will just be another civ to spread Christianity to.
Úmarth
Megalomaniac
Sorry for the delay guys, won't be able to play my turns until tomorrow.
Úmarth
Megalomaniac
1733 - Whether to vassalise Japan turns out to be irrelevant because they collapse already. Ghandi asked for Military Science, we're already Friendly with him so I refused.
1736 - Plague hits Qiqhaer. American Spawns.
Turkey asked to become our vassals. I was in two minds but in the end I accepted for the following reasons:
1) we were having trouble getting open borders with them
2) they can help us in the war against Germany
3) they look fairly secure; no stability problems and no obvious enemies.
I got open borders and world map from him after accepting but decided not to demand any tribute because he didn't have anything we need and I wanted him to be strong when we invade Germany. To this end I also gifted him Rifling.
In a stroke of luck, Tokyo is garrisoned by only two Pikes. I take it with no losses.
Sent a spy to Laibach and slept him there.
1739 - Golden Age ends giving us a fairly severe deficit of 99 gold, which would have us burn through our reserves in 3 turns. I drop the Research Rate down to 40% to put us in the black for a while.
Traded replaceable parts to Ghandi, who has just become a Russian vassal, for Economics and 40 gold.
Spy in Laibach lost to plague.
Got a Great Engi. We could use it to pop a GA but I decided to hurry production on the Statue of Liberty in Guiyang instead. This saved us 20 turns.
Razed the third Japanese city at the cost of one cannon.
1742 - THE CONGRESS OF OSLO:- Turkey gets Dobrusdscha (German city on the north coast of the Black sea)
Aztecs get Tikal.
We are refused the request for Seoul (since I figure we've bled Persia dry by now and it's a good city)
Met Mali, an Islamic Spanish vassal, and signed Open Borders with him for 50 gold.
Spread Christianity in Sogut.
1745 - Plague hits Shenyang.
Irritatingly our UP decides to work and Aomori surrenders. The law of our venerable ancestor Genghis Khan compels us to show mercy to its inhabitants, but this leaves our Japanese cities badly dot-mapped.
The Statue of Liberty is completed and Toyohara is razed, marking the end of the Japanese campaign, but we nevertheless slip into "Unstable".
1748 - Plague in Bodajobo. Spread Christianity in Ulaan-ude.
I begin evacuating our troops from Japan. All of the cavalry and artillery and most of the infantry is sent West to Greece, apart from those used to to garrison Japan and the cities hit by plague.
We can afford to increase the RR to 50%.
1751 - Christianity is spread to Khanbaliq.
1754 - Start researching steam power, the rationale being we can then go for Assembly Line ASAP. Put the RR up to 60%.
The last of our troops leave Japan and the plague is over. Overall our damages from plague were very light, we lost the garrisons in a few outer Mongolian cities but no workers and it did not touch our stacks in Greece or Japan.
1757 - Laibach has the Forbidden Palace so I decide to build our Summer Palace in Fuzhou to reduce the maintenance in South China and Japan.
1760 - The Netherlands gains its independence (from Germany I believe, but maybe France). Reasoning that it will never be our rival and may help us against Germany I initiate friendly relations and give them a very generous trade: scientific method for Liberalism, Democracy and Nationalism.
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With Japan finished off we can now focus wholly on our objective. I think the time is ripe to invade Germany. The are slightly ahead of us in tech, and the stack in Laibach is still very large but we have a sizeable force in Apollonia which will allow us to take it if used effectively. And there is a huge amount of reinforcements on the way which will arrive in waves between 4 and 16 turns.
Besides, we must step up our religious efforts. Christianity is only at 7%, and there are no civs with state religions other than Islam.
1736 - Plague hits Qiqhaer. American Spawns.
Turkey asked to become our vassals. I was in two minds but in the end I accepted for the following reasons:
1) we were having trouble getting open borders with them
2) they can help us in the war against Germany
3) they look fairly secure; no stability problems and no obvious enemies.
I got open borders and world map from him after accepting but decided not to demand any tribute because he didn't have anything we need and I wanted him to be strong when we invade Germany. To this end I also gifted him Rifling.
In a stroke of luck, Tokyo is garrisoned by only two Pikes. I take it with no losses.
Sent a spy to Laibach and slept him there.
1739 - Golden Age ends giving us a fairly severe deficit of 99 gold, which would have us burn through our reserves in 3 turns. I drop the Research Rate down to 40% to put us in the black for a while.
Traded replaceable parts to Ghandi, who has just become a Russian vassal, for Economics and 40 gold.
Spy in Laibach lost to plague.
Got a Great Engi. We could use it to pop a GA but I decided to hurry production on the Statue of Liberty in Guiyang instead. This saved us 20 turns.
Razed the third Japanese city at the cost of one cannon.
1742 - THE CONGRESS OF OSLO:- Turkey gets Dobrusdscha (German city on the north coast of the Black sea)
Aztecs get Tikal.
We are refused the request for Seoul (since I figure we've bled Persia dry by now and it's a good city)
Met Mali, an Islamic Spanish vassal, and signed Open Borders with him for 50 gold.
Spread Christianity in Sogut.
1745 - Plague hits Shenyang.
Irritatingly our UP decides to work and Aomori surrenders. The law of our venerable ancestor Genghis Khan compels us to show mercy to its inhabitants, but this leaves our Japanese cities badly dot-mapped.
The Statue of Liberty is completed and Toyohara is razed, marking the end of the Japanese campaign, but we nevertheless slip into "Unstable".
1748 - Plague in Bodajobo. Spread Christianity in Ulaan-ude.
I begin evacuating our troops from Japan. All of the cavalry and artillery and most of the infantry is sent West to Greece, apart from those used to to garrison Japan and the cities hit by plague.
We can afford to increase the RR to 50%.
1751 - Christianity is spread to Khanbaliq.
1754 - Start researching steam power, the rationale being we can then go for Assembly Line ASAP. Put the RR up to 60%.
The last of our troops leave Japan and the plague is over. Overall our damages from plague were very light, we lost the garrisons in a few outer Mongolian cities but no workers and it did not touch our stacks in Greece or Japan.
1757 - Laibach has the Forbidden Palace so I decide to build our Summer Palace in Fuzhou to reduce the maintenance in South China and Japan.
1760 - The Netherlands gains its independence (from Germany I believe, but maybe France). Reasoning that it will never be our rival and may help us against Germany I initiate friendly relations and give them a very generous trade: scientific method for Liberalism, Democracy and Nationalism.
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With Japan finished off we can now focus wholly on our objective. I think the time is ripe to invade Germany. The are slightly ahead of us in tech, and the stack in Laibach is still very large but we have a sizeable force in Apollonia which will allow us to take it if used effectively. And there is a huge amount of reinforcements on the way which will arrive in waves between 4 and 16 turns.
Besides, we must step up our religious efforts. Christianity is only at 7%, and there are no civs with state religions other than Islam.
Legendre
Chieftain
just downloaded the save, I'll have moves posted in a few hours.
AnotherPacifist
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Umarth I hope you had the foresight to build a Christian monastery in China...otherwise it'll take FOREVER to convert all our Chinese cities to the Cross.
We should befriend America soon (he should be -2 with us due to out vassals, but he doesn't or shouldn't know about them yet).
Just got back from Poland (and saw the Black Mary, supposedly the savior of Poland twice).
We should befriend America soon (he should be -2 with us due to out vassals, but he doesn't or shouldn't know about them yet).
Just got back from Poland (and saw the Black Mary, supposedly the savior of Poland twice).
Legendre
Chieftain
The Who's who of needing Christian Missionaries Checklist!
England
France
Spain
Portugal
Germany (Laibach looks to be their only Christian City, but they might collapse)
Vikings
Russia (missionary currently enroute)
Mali
India
Khmer
Aztec
Inca
Arabia (respawns during my turn set)
America
turn 1:1763
Sold maps for 400g. Started building some more courthouses/jails to hopefully improve stability, we're still unstable. Fuzhou looks to be our richest city so I enqueue the Trading Company after the Summer Palace is finished. Guiyang has 1 turn until grocer and it has alot of hammers (only 2 less than Khanbaliq) so I enqueue the Olympic Park there (12 turns so should be done during Pacifist's reign). We really don't want another great prophet. Athens is the closest to producing another GP so I add a few artists, and there is only a 30% chance for a prophet. With a little bit of luck we should have a bunch of golden ages coming up. Fuzhou is Christianized, gift the missionary chilling in Amsterdam to netherlands.
Note: we get an artist, later on I start working on grocer even though we need missionaries - Athens has huge GP production and with only x2 merchants after my turnset it has 50% chance to pop a merchant and it is next in line to spawn (shenyang will pop next). We'll be able to run x4 merchants and hopefully nab the sushi company.
turn 2:1766
Christianity spreads to Netherlands. Not much else
turn 3:1769
Start moving extra troops from Japan back to the mainland, and keep them garrisoned in Shenyang so that we can nab Seoul when the time is right.
turn 4:1772
Nothing to report.
turn 5:1775
Arabian Cities declare Independence! Persia declares on Arabia
turn 6:1778
Vikings declare on Germany. Vikings capture Helsingfors. Christianize Ning-hsia and Guiyang.
turn 7:1781
Finish Steam Power. The great spy from communism is still up for grabs so I start on that tech - it would rock if we got it and used it to golden age with one of our lazy great prophets. Christianize Shenyang.
turn 8:1784 great artist in Athens - GONG. Golden age! Kaifeng resists conversion (2nd time damn it!)
turn 9:1787
Send a missionary up to Moscow.
turn 10:1790
Rom captured by france! Germany is unstable. Christianize Kaifeng (finally, third time is a charm!). Move our huge stack from Apollonia up toward Laibach.
Also, I just checked, we will get the free great spy next turn.
Remarks:
We have in storage, 1 great spy and 1 great prophet. Shenyang is going to pop another Great person and it shouldn't be either of these so we'll have 2 more golden ages attached to this one (olympic park is going to finish in a few turns). I'm thinking that Germany is going to collapse after we take Laibach - their wars against Vikings/France doesn't look to be going well. I'm a wimp so I'm leaving the fighting to Pacifist, everything should be ready I hope. One last thing, I really think that getting the sushi company will be crucial for population advantage/votes - plus I love sushi IRL. And with the the trading company/sushiHQ/shrine in Fuzhou, putting our stock market there will make for major income.
England
France
Spain
Portugal
Germany (Laibach looks to be their only Christian City, but they might collapse)
Vikings
Russia (missionary currently enroute)
Mali
India
Khmer
Aztec
Inca
Arabia (respawns during my turn set)
America
turn 1:1763
Sold maps for 400g. Started building some more courthouses/jails to hopefully improve stability, we're still unstable. Fuzhou looks to be our richest city so I enqueue the Trading Company after the Summer Palace is finished. Guiyang has 1 turn until grocer and it has alot of hammers (only 2 less than Khanbaliq) so I enqueue the Olympic Park there (12 turns so should be done during Pacifist's reign). We really don't want another great prophet. Athens is the closest to producing another GP so I add a few artists, and there is only a 30% chance for a prophet. With a little bit of luck we should have a bunch of golden ages coming up. Fuzhou is Christianized, gift the missionary chilling in Amsterdam to netherlands.
Note: we get an artist, later on I start working on grocer even though we need missionaries - Athens has huge GP production and with only x2 merchants after my turnset it has 50% chance to pop a merchant and it is next in line to spawn (shenyang will pop next). We'll be able to run x4 merchants and hopefully nab the sushi company.
turn 2:1766
Christianity spreads to Netherlands. Not much else
turn 3:1769
Start moving extra troops from Japan back to the mainland, and keep them garrisoned in Shenyang so that we can nab Seoul when the time is right.
turn 4:1772
Nothing to report.
turn 5:1775
Arabian Cities declare Independence! Persia declares on Arabia
turn 6:1778
Vikings declare on Germany. Vikings capture Helsingfors. Christianize Ning-hsia and Guiyang.
turn 7:1781
Finish Steam Power. The great spy from communism is still up for grabs so I start on that tech - it would rock if we got it and used it to golden age with one of our lazy great prophets. Christianize Shenyang.
turn 8:1784 great artist in Athens - GONG. Golden age! Kaifeng resists conversion (2nd time damn it!)
turn 9:1787
Send a missionary up to Moscow.
turn 10:1790
Rom captured by france! Germany is unstable. Christianize Kaifeng (finally, third time is a charm!). Move our huge stack from Apollonia up toward Laibach.
Also, I just checked, we will get the free great spy next turn.
Remarks:
We have in storage, 1 great spy and 1 great prophet. Shenyang is going to pop another Great person and it shouldn't be either of these so we'll have 2 more golden ages attached to this one (olympic park is going to finish in a few turns). I'm thinking that Germany is going to collapse after we take Laibach - their wars against Vikings/France doesn't look to be going well. I'm a wimp so I'm leaving the fighting to Pacifist, everything should be ready I hope. One last thing, I really think that getting the sushi company will be crucial for population advantage/votes - plus I love sushi IRL. And with the the trading company/sushiHQ/shrine in Fuzhou, putting our stock market there will make for major income.
Legendre
Chieftain
Saved game here - my computer has issues!
AnotherPacifist
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Well, our Mongolian heritage got the better of my pacifist tendencies, even though I did try to rein in our troops until the opportune moment.
At the end of 1790, I got all of the resources from Turkey and Khmer, and got corporation from Khmer with democracy + 10 gold, which opens us up for assembly line next turn.
1. 1793 Sold Scientific method to our 2 vassals and directed them to research physics. Qiqihaer gets the Cross. Communism done, so started Kremlin in Khanbaliq.
2. 1796 Olympic Park done. Russia declares war on Germany, all the better for us when somebody asks us to join the grand alliance.
3. 1799 Sure enough, Aztecs asks us to stop trade with Germany (which we do), and Portugal (both of these are French vassals) asks us to declare war on Germany. Well, now is as good a time, since Warschau is captured by Russia, and I think that good relations with Russia is important. Unfortunately this makes England our enemy, so we have to go find America and get Washington on our side.
Arabia asks us to be their master. Well, I debated the 2 sides: Arabia is small, but it gives us a pretext for getting Seoul which rightfully belongs to us. Plus we've drained the Persian intelligence dry. So we declare war on Persia.
4. 1802 GP born in Fuzhou. Can't use him since we need 3 DIFFERENT great people for another golden age, so I directed our next GP city to go for a scientist. Signed defensive pact with Russia to get him off our back and hopefully eventually get their votes. Sent spy towards Laibach.
5. 1805 Well, Germany collapses. Independents have a stupid way of dismantling their armies soon after the collapse, so I sit in Apollonia for now.
6. 1808 Met Washington, who's at war with England so opens borders with us. They already have the map, so I had to give them corporation (2000 beakers or so) for +4 relationship. Won't sign defensive pact though. Khmer's stack gets to Seoul--no you won't steal Seoul from us, you little weasel.
7. 1811 Assembly line done, started Fascism. Guiyang starts on Pentagon. Kremlin done in Khanbaliq.
WE CAPTURED LAIBACH!!!!
8. 1814 Sent stacks towards Berlin and Babylon and a small expeditionary force towards Samakand. Several great generals born within the last few turns, so Khanbaliq gets one settled, and another builds a military academy.
9. 1817 Great Scientist born in Shenyang, so we get another 8 turns of Golden Age.
The Congress of 1817 (fairly interesting timing in real history, only this time Germany is one of the losers). Darius gets Tushpa (Turk), Washington gets New Orleans (French), Suleiman gets Uralsk (Russian). I tried to get Seoul peacefully, but we got no.
No matter, we capture Seoul with the loss of 1 infantry and spy. Also killed 3 troops in Samarkand. PERSIA CAPTIULATES TO US! (we have all of Asia under our thumb except for India and Russia)
10. 1820 Fascism done, started Mt. Rushmore in Khanbaliq. I started on biology (since the next plague is coming soon). Turkey is 1 turn from finishing Physics, we should definitely trade him for it. Khmer is redirected towards the steel pathway.
Stack reaches Berlin, we start bombarding away.
Future directions (just suggestions):
1. Need to switch to environmentalism and viceroyalty soon. Our conquering days are over soon, and with 4 vassals it's a no-brainer for stability. Unfortunately we're still in decentralisation (DON'T switch to free economy, since we have way too much production; it might make sense for mercantilism since we have so much land, but the long term solution is really environmentalism; communism also makes sense, but we need to get some corporations going later, and the post-communist depression is at least 8 turns, and takes the economy down 2 stars at least (I've tried it), even if we have Cristo Redentor.
2. Need to convert our vassals to Christianity.
3. Opera house in Athens would be a good idea (Athens is getting +5 "we want to join our motherland!"), and more jails in our newly conquered cities for stability.
At the end of 1790, I got all of the resources from Turkey and Khmer, and got corporation from Khmer with democracy + 10 gold, which opens us up for assembly line next turn.
1. 1793 Sold Scientific method to our 2 vassals and directed them to research physics. Qiqihaer gets the Cross. Communism done, so started Kremlin in Khanbaliq.
2. 1796 Olympic Park done. Russia declares war on Germany, all the better for us when somebody asks us to join the grand alliance.
3. 1799 Sure enough, Aztecs asks us to stop trade with Germany (which we do), and Portugal (both of these are French vassals) asks us to declare war on Germany. Well, now is as good a time, since Warschau is captured by Russia, and I think that good relations with Russia is important. Unfortunately this makes England our enemy, so we have to go find America and get Washington on our side.
Arabia asks us to be their master. Well, I debated the 2 sides: Arabia is small, but it gives us a pretext for getting Seoul which rightfully belongs to us. Plus we've drained the Persian intelligence dry. So we declare war on Persia.
4. 1802 GP born in Fuzhou. Can't use him since we need 3 DIFFERENT great people for another golden age, so I directed our next GP city to go for a scientist. Signed defensive pact with Russia to get him off our back and hopefully eventually get their votes. Sent spy towards Laibach.
5. 1805 Well, Germany collapses. Independents have a stupid way of dismantling their armies soon after the collapse, so I sit in Apollonia for now.
6. 1808 Met Washington, who's at war with England so opens borders with us. They already have the map, so I had to give them corporation (2000 beakers or so) for +4 relationship. Won't sign defensive pact though. Khmer's stack gets to Seoul--no you won't steal Seoul from us, you little weasel.
7. 1811 Assembly line done, started Fascism. Guiyang starts on Pentagon. Kremlin done in Khanbaliq.
WE CAPTURED LAIBACH!!!!
8. 1814 Sent stacks towards Berlin and Babylon and a small expeditionary force towards Samakand. Several great generals born within the last few turns, so Khanbaliq gets one settled, and another builds a military academy.
9. 1817 Great Scientist born in Shenyang, so we get another 8 turns of Golden Age.
The Congress of 1817 (fairly interesting timing in real history, only this time Germany is one of the losers). Darius gets Tushpa (Turk), Washington gets New Orleans (French), Suleiman gets Uralsk (Russian). I tried to get Seoul peacefully, but we got no.
No matter, we capture Seoul with the loss of 1 infantry and spy. Also killed 3 troops in Samarkand. PERSIA CAPTIULATES TO US! (we have all of Asia under our thumb except for India and Russia)
10. 1820 Fascism done, started Mt. Rushmore in Khanbaliq. I started on biology (since the next plague is coming soon). Turkey is 1 turn from finishing Physics, we should definitely trade him for it. Khmer is redirected towards the steel pathway.
Stack reaches Berlin, we start bombarding away.
Future directions (just suggestions):
1. Need to switch to environmentalism and viceroyalty soon. Our conquering days are over soon, and with 4 vassals it's a no-brainer for stability. Unfortunately we're still in decentralisation (DON'T switch to free economy, since we have way too much production; it might make sense for mercantilism since we have so much land, but the long term solution is really environmentalism; communism also makes sense, but we need to get some corporations going later, and the post-communist depression is at least 8 turns, and takes the economy down 2 stars at least (I've tried it), even if we have Cristo Redentor.
2. Need to convert our vassals to Christianity.
3. Opera house in Athens would be a good idea (Athens is getting +5 "we want to join our motherland!"), and more jails in our newly conquered cities for stability.
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Now that we're tops, we should think about how to get the vote. Here's what I think:
1. after all civs have at least 1 Christian city, we should make everybody that's not a vassal and not Christian switch to free religion (helps with relationships when we switch to Christianity as our state religion). This should be done just before the switch, so that if they switch back they have to wait another 5 turns at least. This will probably involve giving Liberalism to the few other civs that don't have it (e.g. Inca, Russia). A few well placed missionaries that are NOT Christian (e.g. the Taoist shrine has another 9 cities until the 20 gold/turn limit) will induce other civs to get free religion rather than go back to Hinduism or Islam.
2. Unfortunately since we can only have 3 active Christian missionaries, OR would be a good civic to switch to.
3. Civs that are not happy with us (e.g. Spain, England) should be actively destabilized and key cities razed.
4. Cristo Redentor cannot be lost to any other civ (since it'll involve 2 switches, from free religion to OR and then Christianity), so Radio needs to be researched as soon as we get Physics.
1. after all civs have at least 1 Christian city, we should make everybody that's not a vassal and not Christian switch to free religion (helps with relationships when we switch to Christianity as our state religion). This should be done just before the switch, so that if they switch back they have to wait another 5 turns at least. This will probably involve giving Liberalism to the few other civs that don't have it (e.g. Inca, Russia). A few well placed missionaries that are NOT Christian (e.g. the Taoist shrine has another 9 cities until the 20 gold/turn limit) will induce other civs to get free religion rather than go back to Hinduism or Islam.
2. Unfortunately since we can only have 3 active Christian missionaries, OR would be a good civic to switch to.
3. Civs that are not happy with us (e.g. Spain, England) should be actively destabilized and key cities razed.
4. Cristo Redentor cannot be lost to any other civ (since it'll involve 2 switches, from free religion to OR and then Christianity), so Radio needs to be researched as soon as we get Physics.
Úmarth
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Okay got it.
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Generally what I did was:
* no special strategy, just spreading Christianity and building
* kept 3 missionaries active or being built at all times
* otherwise built spy buildings and assigned spy specialists so that we can use espionage to influence whoever, if needed. Cities with nothing else to do filled in buildings, built wealth, or if they were Ulaan-Ude or Beijing, built Infantry.
* after Bio, tried to tweak every city for even food
* built National Park in Qiqihaer, where we have 7 forests.
1 1823 capture independent Berlin.
2 1826 refuse Portugal stop trading with Vikings
3 1829 refuse Isabella's request for the same. she's (already) annoyed but we don't have OB with her anyway.
Complete Mount Rushmore.
I missed the trade for Physics and now Turkey won't do it. (Don't know if he would have before.) Switch him from Chemistry to Electricity.
4 1832 Ragnar asks us to declare on Monty, who is really Napoleon. No.
Pop a Copper by Fuzhou.
5 1835 Biology -> Medicine
Russia is in Hindu Theocracy but Tiraspol has no religion. I have a missionary there and give it to him. We'll see.
Look for Physics trades and get it from Arabia along with map + adopt Free Religion in exchange for Steam + Communism + Corp. It seemed like the best deal we could get. Saladin is Stable, so the switch shouldn't kill him.
6 1838 A Mongolian revolt takes place in Pompeii.
Spread Christianity to India and the Khmer.
Russia has not taken the bait.
7 1841 Russia wanted Liberalism for 185. But then Free Religion was redlined ("don't like you enough"). He's at Pleased, + 11 / -7, and we are already fighting his only war enemy, England. I'm not too enthusiastic about switching to his favorite civic State Property because we're only paying 16 GPT in distance maintenance. I direct our EPs to Russia so that we can switch him to Free Religion.
Have a Missionary that I'm not sure what to do with, so send him to the new world.
8 1844 Give a missionary to Islamic Theocratic France. I'm not too hopeful after Russia, but it's worth the experiment. He doesn't have Free Religion as an option - maybe he just came out of anarchy?
Spread Christianity to Arabia.
9 1846 Portugal breaks free from France, who has not used the Christian missionary we gave him.
We pop Adam Smith.
Send another missionary toward the new world.
10 1848 Plague breaks out in Makkah, but we research Medicine. Ha. Start Steel.
Put a missionary on a Caravel for Portugal (who is in Pacifism, but geographically blocked by Spain).
I realize that Adam Smith can found Sid's Sushi, and send him to Fuzhou so that he can do that if we want. But I'm not sure that having a lot of extra food will help us, since the AP victory vote won't come up if we have enough votes to automatically vote ourselves the winner.
Spread Christianity to the Aztecs.
There are 3 turns left in our golden age.
Now that we have Medicine we might want to switch civics (Environmentalism + Viceroyalty sounds good to me), but I leave that for the next person.
Religion
On turn 10 I checked again and saw that at some point France and Russia did actually use the gifted missionaries.
In need of Christianity and not in Theocracy: Mali, Egypt (he came back at some point)
In need of Christianity but in Theocracy: vikings, spain, england, america.
We have OB with vikings and america. Ragnar says Free Religion is "against everything he stands for", but Lincoln is open to being bribed into it. But since it worked with France and Russia, we can probably just gift missionaries to Ragnar and Roosevelt, and it will just work.
England is nobody's friend, so if we get around to building a fleet we could capture, convert, and re-gift a city. Spain we could do the same, although she has a couple of friends and a DP with Willem.
For now I shifted our EP allocation back to even, but I'm not really sure what's best.
Missionaries:
1 on the way to the new world
1 on the way for Portugal or Mali
1 being built in Athens
Roster
Jet - played
Umarth - up
Legendre - on deck
AnotherPacifist
* no special strategy, just spreading Christianity and building
* kept 3 missionaries active or being built at all times
* otherwise built spy buildings and assigned spy specialists so that we can use espionage to influence whoever, if needed. Cities with nothing else to do filled in buildings, built wealth, or if they were Ulaan-Ude or Beijing, built Infantry.
* after Bio, tried to tweak every city for even food
* built National Park in Qiqihaer, where we have 7 forests.
1 1823 capture independent Berlin.
2 1826 refuse Portugal stop trading with Vikings
3 1829 refuse Isabella's request for the same. she's (already) annoyed but we don't have OB with her anyway.
Complete Mount Rushmore.
I missed the trade for Physics and now Turkey won't do it. (Don't know if he would have before.) Switch him from Chemistry to Electricity.
4 1832 Ragnar asks us to declare on Monty, who is really Napoleon. No.
Pop a Copper by Fuzhou.
5 1835 Biology -> Medicine
Russia is in Hindu Theocracy but Tiraspol has no religion. I have a missionary there and give it to him. We'll see.
Look for Physics trades and get it from Arabia along with map + adopt Free Religion in exchange for Steam + Communism + Corp. It seemed like the best deal we could get. Saladin is Stable, so the switch shouldn't kill him.
6 1838 A Mongolian revolt takes place in Pompeii.
Spread Christianity to India and the Khmer.
Russia has not taken the bait.
7 1841 Russia wanted Liberalism for 185. But then Free Religion was redlined ("don't like you enough"). He's at Pleased, + 11 / -7, and we are already fighting his only war enemy, England. I'm not too enthusiastic about switching to his favorite civic State Property because we're only paying 16 GPT in distance maintenance. I direct our EPs to Russia so that we can switch him to Free Religion.
Have a Missionary that I'm not sure what to do with, so send him to the new world.
8 1844 Give a missionary to Islamic Theocratic France. I'm not too hopeful after Russia, but it's worth the experiment. He doesn't have Free Religion as an option - maybe he just came out of anarchy?
Spread Christianity to Arabia.
9 1846 Portugal breaks free from France, who has not used the Christian missionary we gave him.
We pop Adam Smith.
Send another missionary toward the new world.
10 1848 Plague breaks out in Makkah, but we research Medicine. Ha.
Start Steel.Put a missionary on a Caravel for Portugal (who is in Pacifism, but geographically blocked by Spain).
I realize that Adam Smith can found Sid's Sushi, and send him to Fuzhou so that he can do that if we want. But I'm not sure that having a lot of extra food will help us, since the AP victory vote won't come up if we have enough votes to automatically vote ourselves the winner.
Spread Christianity to the Aztecs.
There are 3 turns left in our golden age.
Now that we have Medicine we might want to switch civics (Environmentalism + Viceroyalty sounds good to me), but I leave that for the next person.
Religion
On turn 10 I checked again and saw that at some point France and Russia did actually use the gifted missionaries.
In need of Christianity and not in Theocracy: Mali, Egypt (he came back at some point)
In need of Christianity but in Theocracy: vikings, spain, england, america.
We have OB with vikings and america. Ragnar says Free Religion is "against everything he stands for", but Lincoln is open to being bribed into it. But since it worked with France and Russia, we can probably just gift missionaries to Ragnar and Roosevelt, and it will just work.
England is nobody's friend, so if we get around to building a fleet we could capture, convert, and re-gift a city. Spain we could do the same, although she has a couple of friends and a DP with Willem.
For now I shifted our EP allocation back to even, but I'm not really sure what's best.
Missionaries:
1 on the way to the new world
1 on the way for Portugal or Mali
1 being built in Athens
Roster
Jet - played
Umarth - up
Legendre - on deck
AnotherPacifist
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Well played.
I hope you realize we have a GP resting in Beijing.
I think we should research Electricity ourselves...because we can then build Wembley ourselves. Turkey NEVER trades techs that can potentially lead to wonders first. Electricity will also boost our economy just around the time when we need it to buffer the loss of Golden Ages. Steel we should get from Khmer.
BTW, I have never seen a gifted missionary used on a city without religion. It is usually used by the AI in a city that already has the state religion.
I hope you realize we have a GP resting in Beijing.
I think we should research Electricity ourselves...because we can then build Wembley ourselves. Turkey NEVER trades techs that can potentially lead to wonders first. Electricity will also boost our economy just around the time when we need it to buffer the loss of Golden Ages. Steel we should get from Khmer.
BTW, I have never seen a gifted missionary used on a city without religion. It is usually used by the AI in a city that already has the state religion.
Úmarth
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I'm sorry, busy week.
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