JFD's Rise to Power

[pyroflare77]

A little bug to report for piety. After secularizing, sacred mysteries shows up as a decision again. Pretty sure it's not supposed to do that.

 

[Hypereon]

Do we need a brainstorm on calculating political party support, or has there already been progress? I have a set of ideas in mind, which I have yet to compile.

 

[DoctorMcGann]

Working on some names. Annoyingly the Babylonians used the same word for their nobility and their priests.

Also, are Malian names okay for Songhai? Not like there's a lot else to go on, and the Songhai were essentially a succesor state.

 

[JFD]

Oh, wow, if the PMs are randomly assigned, I have to revise my list. It was made to give each party up to eight PMs, and I had to include some less important people to do so.

At the same time, this makes it easier, since I now can just steal the Norwegian PM list.

Yeah, and I spent a good three hours coming up with 1075 names So hopefully it was worth it

Governor might be an appropriate title for Colonial-group chiefdoms. It's artificial but it makes a little bit of sense. Otherwise that can be used for smaller monarch titles.

EDIT - Expanding on that, Pioneer could work for Chiefdom as well. Also I think Founder would be appropriate for a monarch - think Bioshock Infinite.

Yeah, that will probably alleviate the awkwardness of seeing King Lincoln.

May I suggest the default "Dictator" term for Brazil instead of Caudilho? That's more of a Spanish thing and the only Brazilian state to have had those is Rio Grande do Sul.

Ok, have changed.

A little bug to report for piety. After secularizing, sacred mysteries shows up as a decision again. Pretty sure it's not supposed to do that.

Noted.

Do we need a brainstorm on calculating political party support, or has there already been progress? I have a set of ideas in mind, which I have yet to compile.

I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours.

Working on some names. Annoyingly the Babylonians used the same word for their nobility and their priests.

Also, are Malian names okay for Songhai? Not like there's a lot else to go on, and the Songhai were essentially a succesor state.

Yeah, use names from Mali if you need. Better to have those than nothing.

 

[DoctorMcGann]

Do you need anything for PM names, or is 1075 enough?

 

[JFD]

That'll be enough, I hope

 

[DoctorMcGann]

But I made a mod mod which makes every civ have 1075 PMs per party!

 

[JFD]

My god Anyway, having the PMs randomly assigned to parties is fun. Reactionary Johann de Witt, Liberal Adolf Hitler, Libertarian Sir Walsingham, Communist Jafar, Fascist Nelson Mandala. It's all good

I have to compile culture specific lists now, though - so that modded civs from people are a defiantly anti-social are left out

 

[DonStamos]

@ Colonial Chiefdom - how about Governor-General?

 

[ldvhl]

My god Anyway, having the PMs randomly assigned to parties is fun. Reactionary Johann de Witt, Liberal Adolf Hitler, Libertarian Sir Walsingham, Communist Jafar, Fascist Nelson Mandala. It's all good

I have to compile culture specific lists now, though - so that modded civs from people are a defiantly anti-social are left out

So civ leaders might also be prime ministers (looking at Hitler)?

 

[JFD]

So civ leaders might also be prime ministers (looking at Hitler)?

Yerp.

@ Colonial Chiefdom - how about Governor-General?

I think Pioneer is perfect. Chiefdoms are meant to imply informal government structures - G-Gs belong to establish govts.

 

[Vicevirtuoso]

Will it be possible to have specific Civilizations or culture types be set to never pull from generic pools or get other Civs' leaders assigned as prime ministers? I have some Civilizations which are intended to be comprised entirely of women, so I'd like to make sure the male name pools can be excluded for them if possible.

 

[JFD]

There is technically no generic pool. Basically, every civ has a list of PMs, and then every culture pulls from those lists. So you'd just make your own civ or culture list.

 

[Vicevirtuoso]

Okay. So, when you say Civ leaders can be PMs, does that mean that it actually pulls names from the Leaders table as potential PMs, or does that just mean you're adding people to the PM list who also happen to be represented as Civ leaders?

 

[JFD]

The latter. But it was really only in exceptional cases, for the amusement of having Hitler in your government (Mandala because the Zulu list was hard to compose). You won't see Gajah Mada, or Seddon, or Churchill, etc.

 

[DonStamos]

The flavor of Hitler becoming part of the government, though. SO STRONG.

 

[TheLohoped]

JFD, how about creating the same table for your own civs in the future? I think that the community would be glad to help you with the names for your 45 civs after the current table is done.

 

[JFD]

Nah, the research is the one thing that I'll enjoy when going over my civs for updates.
I only asked for more input for the vanilla civs as I felt compelled to get them all done at once. Not so with my custom civs.

That being said, I would welcome any pre-emptive suggestions, as well as compilations of PM names (25 max) that are appropriate to one of my custom leaders or civs.

 

[kerrigan1603]

By the way, could some point me to where i could find ingame images.

 

[JFD]

So, my main thought on determining political composition (for parliamentary monarchies) was for each city to effectively support a dominant party, based upon what yields are lowest. So a city with Production+Food combined lower than Culture+Faith and Gold+Science would vote for the Socialist Party. I think this is simple, intuitive, and gives you an avenue by which to influence parliamentary composition if you want. Some secondary factors might come into play as well (happiness, WLTKD, etc.), but it should all be city based. This does favour majoritarinism, though

Meanwhile, parliaments for absolute monarchies (who only deal with Nobility and Clergy) follow the same voting principle, except a city will allocate support based upon which is higher - faith or gold (for this calculation I'd probably need to inflate faith values artificially, as I expect gold is much easier to come by than faith - though this is base yield (so before modifiers), so it'll require testing).

Not sure what to do with desoptic monarchies. They could just not have parliament, meaning whilst they won't suffer prestige inflation, they also won't benefit from prestige deflation. Not sure yet if that's balanced well. Other ideas are welcome.