Storm Rider
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Strong words from a state who defied the very same law by flooding the Ohio territory with illegal slaves. We will pull out of the land if you remove the slaves from the Ohio territory.
JSNES 2: A House Divided
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We can not remove settlers who brought slaves with them from the land in whichthey move to inhabit. They made a free choice to move there with their slaves to set up a new life, we can not force them to do otherwise. You on the otherhand can recinde your claim OF TAKING FEDERAL LAND which can be considered an act of war against the entirety of these United States.
conehead234
Braves on the Warpath
Maryland demands that Pennsylvania withdraws from Michigan.
Connecticut also asks that Pennsylvania withdraw from Michigan, and that Virgina respects Federal law in federal territory by taking back its citizens with their slaves, who have broken the North-west ordinance of 1787.
blackheart
unenlightened
North Carolina requests that the Ohio issue be solved peacefully and Pennsylvania hold true to its land prior land concessions on the Ohio Valley.
Grandmaster
Deity
New York proposes the following bill to resolve the issue in the Ohio Territory:
Northwest Reorganization & Settlement Act
WHEREAS the Northwest Territory presently suffers from disputes regarding the authority of existing States to extend their authority over Federally-mandated lands; and
WHEREAS the Northwest Territory presently suffers from disputes regarding the legal status of Slavery and Servitude, and from its extralegal presence in violation of the Northwest Ordinances enacted by this Congress; and
WHEREAS a resolution to the problems of the Northwest Territory is essential to the maintenance of peaceful and amicable relations between the States of this Union;
We, the Representatives of the several United States, in Congress assembled, do hereby resolve that:
1. The Northwest Territory shall be reorganized into several smaller Organized Territories, governed by local constituent assemblies and by an appointed and duly approved Governor, and subject to all Federal laws and regulations.
2. The Michigan, Indian, Illinois, Jefferson, Wisconsin, and Superior Territories shall be constituted as Organized Territories.
3. Persons currently held in bondage who shall enter into the aforementioned Territories shall remain unchanged in status.
4. The sale, purchase, or exchange of enslaved persons shall be forbidden in the aforementioned Territories.
5. Upon applying for Statehood, the population of each Territory shall select, by popular referendum, whether they desire that their State should permit or forbid Slavery and Servitude. In those States which choose freely to forbid Slavery, all enslaved persons remaining in residence within that State within one year of its achieving Statehood shall be emancipated and granted immediate freedman status.
6. That portion of the Northwest Territory not defined within the borders of the aforementioned Territories, and corresponding to the country bounded by the Ohio River and the borders of Pennsylvania and the Michigan and Indian Territories, shall be admitted to this Union as the State of Ohio, with its capital at New Albany. Slavery shall be prohibited in the State of Ohio, and all enslaved persons remaining in residence within the State within one year of its achieving Statehood shall be emancipated and granted freedman status.
7. No State shall be permitted to annex, occupy, or otherwise lay claim to Federal land falling within the defined boundaries of an Organized Territory.
Northwest Reorganization & Settlement Act
WHEREAS the Northwest Territory presently suffers from disputes regarding the authority of existing States to extend their authority over Federally-mandated lands; and
WHEREAS the Northwest Territory presently suffers from disputes regarding the legal status of Slavery and Servitude, and from its extralegal presence in violation of the Northwest Ordinances enacted by this Congress; and
WHEREAS a resolution to the problems of the Northwest Territory is essential to the maintenance of peaceful and amicable relations between the States of this Union;
We, the Representatives of the several United States, in Congress assembled, do hereby resolve that:
1. The Northwest Territory shall be reorganized into several smaller Organized Territories, governed by local constituent assemblies and by an appointed and duly approved Governor, and subject to all Federal laws and regulations.
2. The Michigan, Indian, Illinois, Jefferson, Wisconsin, and Superior Territories shall be constituted as Organized Territories.
3. Persons currently held in bondage who shall enter into the aforementioned Territories shall remain unchanged in status.
4. The sale, purchase, or exchange of enslaved persons shall be forbidden in the aforementioned Territories.
5. Upon applying for Statehood, the population of each Territory shall select, by popular referendum, whether they desire that their State should permit or forbid Slavery and Servitude. In those States which choose freely to forbid Slavery, all enslaved persons remaining in residence within that State within one year of its achieving Statehood shall be emancipated and granted immediate freedman status.
6. That portion of the Northwest Territory not defined within the borders of the aforementioned Territories, and corresponding to the country bounded by the Ohio River and the borders of Pennsylvania and the Michigan and Indian Territories, shall be admitted to this Union as the State of Ohio, with its capital at New Albany. Slavery shall be prohibited in the State of Ohio, and all enslaved persons remaining in residence within the State within one year of its achieving Statehood shall be emancipated and granted freedman status.
7. No State shall be permitted to annex, occupy, or otherwise lay claim to Federal land falling within the defined boundaries of an Organized Territory.
Virginia would like to amend the bill in which the territories would look like this.
There are the states of Illinois and Indiana which are larely unchanged. Ohio will now encompass the eastern half of Michigan. To make up for this Michigan will now take the entirety of the Lake Michigan shoreline from Wisconsion. Wisconsion will take over the Ssouth shall retain the title Ohio (after all it is bordering the river) while the northern section will be called Erie (the majority of the shoreline is with lake Erie)
There are the states of Illinois and Indiana which are larely unchanged. Ohio will now encompass the eastern half of Michigan. To make up for this Michigan will now take the entirety of the Lake Michigan shoreline from Wisconsion. Wisconsion will take over the Ssouth shall retain the title Ohio (after all it is bordering the river) while the northern section will be called Erie (the majority of the shoreline is with lake Erie)
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Grandmaster
Deity
No, the bill will stand as proposed. Write your own bill, if you wish; we stand by our initial proposition.
Grandmaster
Deity
OOC: The point isn't to make it three of each kind. The point is to balance against the states you're gaining in the Caribbean, and to solve the issue of States claiming Federal territory. Be glad my initial proposal provides for one obvious slave state.
JosefStalinator
Я буду снова здесь
Ok... please note I won't accept bills unless they are mentioned in orders (just link the post for me), so I will submit whatever is submitted to congress, even if both are.
Insane_Panda
Deity
I take Mahhasuchetts 
p) with authorization from our lord, Joesus.
p) with authorization from our lord, Joesus.
Insane_Panda
Deity
Massachusetts supports the bill as proposed by the state of New York. In other news, Caleb Strong is no longer governor - a news release by the state government of Massachusetts shall be issued shortly.
Let it be known that it is the policy of Massachusetts to oppose slavery - a vile, barbaric, aswell as economically crippling institution - wherever possible through legal and peaceful means.
Let it be known that it is the policy of Massachusetts to oppose slavery - a vile, barbaric, aswell as economically crippling institution - wherever possible through legal and peaceful means.
JosefStalinator
Я буду снова здесь
Update Sunday hopefully if all goes as planned, sooner if orders are received.
JosefStalinator
Я буду снова здесь
I told him if Ohio opens he can take it >.>
I do know there is a war going on with Britain but I couldn\t care less. We\re conquering Canada for the sake of BUYING Louisiana?
At least taking over the Carribean empire is a good idea, but the theory that Napoleon would actively defend his territories west of the Ocean while fighting the Third Coalition instead of selling them to us is silly.
I am NOT saying we should attack, we would risk our existance by doing so (well you guys would anyway, I\m a bit sheltered here... a bit, but the French might land in Louisiana and march my way) but at some point Napoleon will be strapped for cash and thus willing to sell some forsaken piece of land that he does not care too much about.
Ohio will not join in on this ludicrous insanity, we\re a frontier state and we will deal with the immediate future of the Union.
Ohio is pro-slavery and against tariffs.
At least taking over the Carribean empire is a good idea, but the theory that Napoleon would actively defend his territories west of the Ocean while fighting the Third Coalition instead of selling them to us is silly.
I am NOT saying we should attack, we would risk our existance by doing so (well you guys would anyway, I\m a bit sheltered here... a bit, but the French might land in Louisiana and march my way) but at some point Napoleon will be strapped for cash and thus willing to sell some forsaken piece of land that he does not care too much about.
Ohio will not join in on this ludicrous insanity, we\re a frontier state and we will deal with the immediate future of the Union.
Ohio is pro-slavery and against tariffs.
