KrikkitTwo
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Industry 10 is
+25% to internal trade routes
Industry 12 is
+?25?% energy ...(unreadable)
Known virtues and tooltip madness.
- Thread starter GoodSarmatian
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Industry 10 is
+25% to internal trade routes
Industry 12 is
+?25?% energy ...(unreadable)
The Dark Knight
Chieftain
Prosperity seems rather weak atm:
"1. Frugality
10% food is carried over after city growth"
This is really weak, the aquaduct from civ V gives 40%... , i understand that they don't want to give something OP early game but they can atleast buff it to 20% or 25%.
"2. Helping Hands
15% faster tile improvement construction"
Already been said bye a number of u, 15% is nothing for faster tile improvement construction...
They need to buff it to 25% or higher before i even consider taking it.
"Synergy for 10 Prosperity virtues
+1 health in every city"
Only 1 health? This is a tier II synergy buff, this needs to be better.
Untill prosperity virtues are getting buffed i'm not even considering taking any because knowledge and industry sound way better and doesn't feel like u are wasting virtues in maxing them.
"1. Frugality
10% food is carried over after city growth"
This is really weak, the aquaduct from civ V gives 40%... , i understand that they don't want to give something OP early game but they can atleast buff it to 20% or 25%.
"2. Helping Hands
15% faster tile improvement construction"
Already been said bye a number of u, 15% is nothing for faster tile improvement construction...
They need to buff it to 25% or higher before i even consider taking it.
"Synergy for 10 Prosperity virtues
+1 health in every city"
Only 1 health? This is a tier II synergy buff, this needs to be better.
Untill prosperity virtues are getting buffed i'm not even considering taking any because knowledge and industry sound way better and doesn't feel like u are wasting virtues in maxing them.
GoodSarmatian
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Helping Hands is too weak, but I have to disagree on Frugality. It's the first virtue, and the Industry and Knowledge openers aren't that strong either. They also only give 10% bonuses, and the one from Foresight will possibly be rounded down to nothing until you have more than 10 science. Frugality looks to me like the best choice for the first virtue and we'll have to see what it unlocks to compete with Field Research, Central Planning or Commodization -the other early virtues are only really good after you have already grown and expanded a bit.
I might even choose Helping Hands relatively early just to get to Pathfinders and grab more expedition bonuses, but I really hope it gets buffed before release.
I might even choose Helping Hands relatively early just to get to Pathfinders and grab more expedition bonuses, but I really hope it gets buffed before release.
stealth_nsk
Deity
I think it's best to compare virtues with Civ 5 policies. Prosperity virtues are in general a little bit weaker than Civ 5 analogues but it's compensated by the fact that it's bonuses benefit both wide and tall. For example, unlike Tradition finisher, Frugality provides bonuses not only for the first 4 cities. Plus the bonus could stack with Aqueduct analogue (if there's any).
The Dark Knight
Chieftain
If u put it that way, i have to agree with u.
This is indeed for "Frugality", but "Helping Hands" is still way to weak to be noticed to tile improvements who doesn't take 6 turns to be constructed (from 7 turns, 15% of 7 is above 1 so then u would notice it takes 1 turns from it...)
stealth_nsk
Deity
We don't know how it's rounded. If building time is always rounded down, for example, 15% could be huge
Also, we don't know tile improvement building times and other bonuses to stack with. Or, for example, whether the new wonders (which are built on tiles) count.
So, it's to early to judge the balance...
SupremacyKing
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There is a new gameplay video from PAX prime that appears to show us some virtues that we've never seen before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=S0Jx6GVxuPQ&app=desktop
knowledge 14: technoartisans
Earn extra science equal to 25% of culture you are generating
3rd knowledge synergy bonus: earn +10% science in every city
Tier 3 synergy bonus: +10% growth, production, science, culture and energy bonus in every city
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=S0Jx6GVxuPQ&app=desktop
knowledge 14: technoartisans
Earn extra science equal to 25% of culture you are generating
3rd knowledge synergy bonus: earn +10% science in every city
Tier 3 synergy bonus: +10% growth, production, science, culture and energy bonus in every city
GenEngineer
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Actually, that's only the 2nd knowledge bonus. The video shows having only filled out 2/3 of the bar for the 3 synergies.
SupremacyKing
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oops. thanks for catching that.
The Dark Knight
Chieftain
I can confirm this info:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4RvCTqoGaM&hd=1
Civilization: Beyond Earth Stage Demo - PAX Prime 2014
Pioneer Spirit: Number 7 in prosperity.
Gift Economy: Number 8 in prosperity.
Inhalaattori
Emperor
It seems that "helping hands" has been removed and replaced by "workforce iniative". Its effect is: "Gain a free worker unit"
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdaCu5mr0AY
(time: 3.59)
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdaCu5mr0AY
(time: 3.59)
BlueFlamingWings
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So going PAC, getting the Machinery spaceship bonus and then going two Virtues down in Prosperity to Workforce Initiative will net you two workers to improve infrastructure and a + 10% growth?
I'm officially starting with PAC in my first playthrough.
(Assuming things don't change too much ... which they will.)
Epic Eric
Chieftain
From another thread:
This shows detailed initial quest description for each victory (1:34) and the name of a few more technologies (1:55) – though it is pretty sped up, you can still see some things.
KrikkitTwo
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PC Gamer first 100 turn
Prosperity 3 looks like +50% to outpost growth
Prosperity 9 is +2 pop for new cities
Prosperity Synergy bonus 1 (5 virtues) is +10% growth in every city
Prosperity 3 looks like +50% to outpost growth
Prosperity 9 is +2 pop for new cities
Prosperity Synergy bonus 1 (5 virtues) is +10% growth in every city
The Dark Knight
Chieftain
PC gamer 100 turns, i also found prosperity number 2: it gives a free worker.
It looks like i'm going into the prosperity tree after all
It looks like i'm going into the prosperity tree after all
BlueFlamingWings
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I was also eyeing up that free worker. The only question is if they tweaked the Machinery as well. If they haven't then two free workers early on may be the best choice all around. You may not unlock the rest of the Prosperity Virtues, but that'll probably be the opening move for many.
KrikkitTwo
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If you have one from the beginning of the game, a second is less useful (you could end up outracing your population growth). That means it Might be better to go in another direction first (industry/knowledge to get buildings/building options up fast)
Lord Shadow
General
If the latest batch of 100-turn gameplay videos are any indication, you have to keep in mind the fact workers can often be threatened by roaming aliens. The Prosperity worker might come in handy to quickly replace unfortunate losses.
It really shouldn't be a problem if you don't ignore the aliens and let them eat your workers, and instead take refuge in a city when they come into range.
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