LEADERHEAD PACK - Flags as Leaderheads!

@SprincruS: "Byzantines - Red flag with white cross (flag for Denmark)"

No, no, no. A couped cross has an 'x' through it. One of the Byzantine flags was a red background with a couped cross and the letter P on the top. The P doesn't stand for Paleoleague because in the Greek alphabet P is the 'r' sound. Here's a link.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/g/gr_byz04.gif

@Rufus: I know the HRE was more German than Italian, however the civilization is Rome and Holy Roman Empire has the word Roman in it thus it is more of a Roman flag. Get what I'm saying.. it's more of an alternative history solution to this. But a flag of Venice or another Italian state or perhaps the Papacy would be another good choice for the flag. I was just continuing with the Rome idea.
 
Spin. The addition of North and South Vietnam, etc, to your list is much appreciated :)
 
Many history books I've read that has the Holy Roman Empire usually mention the fact that it pretty much wasn't Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire :D
 
The Holy Roman Empire still has nothing to do with Rome. I can't imagine what was in the minds of its creators when they named it, but it was more German states than anything else.

The only thing that made it Holy was that it was Catholic. The only thing that made it Roman was that it had connections with the Pope. And the only thing that made it an Empire was the title.
 
Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
The Holy Roman Empire still has nothing to do with Rome. I can't imagine what was in the minds of its creators when they named it, but it was more German states than anything else.

The only thing that made it Holy was that it was Catholic. The only thing that made it Roman was that it had connections with the Pope. And the only thing that made it an Empire was the title.

Holy Roman Empire was named:
1) Holy: because the Emperor derived his right from Pope, and so from God. This signify that Pope can revoke his right and emperor fall.
2) Roman: emperor named him as heir of roman emperor and used his laws as laws, so he had historical right to command other german princes.
3) Empire: Germany was not a united country, but a federation of principates and emperor was eletted on "dieta" (a institution similar to papal conclave). So, emperor was conditioned by other princes, which ever seen to steal his power. This is the cause because emperor wanted to enforce his istitution with the creation of HRE.
 
Spincrus:

I would like to remind you that I was doing the flags for another purpose in the beginning, and just wanted to share them to the public afterwards. I didn't have era-specific flags in mind, since I just wanted to be quickly done with flags that would maybe represent all eras.

The current Bundesgesetz used in my flag is that of Austria, and the two headed eagle would sure be the coat of arms of the Habsburgs. True, but if I did that, I should also have replaced one of the red stripes with green, symbolizing Hungary.
First:
If you do not have era specific flags in mind, then why not choose the flag without any eagle overlay? If it weren't for Austria's past and the Habsburg's Dynasty, the red-white-red [flag] probably would not even show up in your listing.
Why? Because the first and second Republic of Austria are relatively unimportant for _world history_ (1919-1938, 1945 onwards). So forget that stupid Republican flag you have chosen, even in Austria most people don't like using this version.

Second:
You have to bear in mind that the eagle used in your flag is a symbol for the republic and only the Republic of Austria. Hammer & Scythe - which are basically the symbols of socialism; officially of course they represent the newfound "freedom" of the workers - take the place of monarchist Symbols such as Scepter and Crown. Confusing the two is a grave mistake, since the Habsburg Dynasty and the Republic of Austria are two things not to be mixed up. And as a matter of fact, the Republic of Austria is anything but proud of its (more) noble past; therefore it is only fair not to disgrace the past itself by symbolizing it with an ugly republican eagle.

Third:
It is the Monarchy of Austria under the leadership of the Habsburg Dynasty which has defined European history at the side of Germany, France and England. What you fail to recognize is that the Double Monarchy of Austria-Hungary you keep mentioning only existed from 1867-1919. Considering that Austria was in the hands of the Habsburg family for over 600 years, this is only a very small period of time. And rest assured, Austria was neither small nor unimportant in the centuries before.
On the contrary, Austria-Hungary is far from representing the peak of Habsburg's influence and power in Europe it has had in earlier times.


This leaves us two options:
a.) If you want to represent "Austria", then choose the red-white-red flag excluding any eagle. With over 1000 years of age, this one also belongs to the oldest in history. A good solution.

b.) If you want to represent "Austria under the Habsburg Dynasty", it is best to choose the flag you have posted in your latest reply (or a high quality version of it). Austria-Hungary is not important enough to be taken into account here and can therefore be neglected.

What you may not do is to take a Republican Eagle and add the description "Austria under the Habsburg Dynasty". Hell, it is even a shame to speak about the two in one breath. Btw., I'm Austrian, and as you might read from my signature, I am very in that matter. So you can safely assume that my words reflect the truth.
 
That really looks great and I wanna use these flags in a game instead of actual faces.

But HOW DO I set these pics as Leader heads in a biq file ????
Do i have to change entries in Pedia Icons ? And if yes what entries do I change exactly ? I'm lost...

Please help me get full pleasure from this.

Thanks a lot !!
 
TheLastKnight;

1. Did I ever say Austria was unimportant? How could I? I'm half Austrian myself.

2. Did I ever say Austria-Hungary was the only one? The only reason I keep on mentioning that is because some people have been requesting Napoleonic era flags from me.

3. I guess you think I am really ill informed and stupid on this flag issue. Well don't deny it, that's what I understand from your post.


Now, I bid you to watch your language here:
- "Hell, it is even a shame to speak about the two in one breath."

Did you think it in this way: I desperately needed an Austrian flag for myself and the only one that I could find was the republican eagle that I have on my Austrian passport that I carry with great pride. I called it a Habsburg dynasty flag as a mistake, because that was actually my intention of using that flag in my own scenario.

As I said in my last post, I have done them for my own pleasure and accuracy was not in my mind when I first made them, and shared them all together. I didn't do enough research and already had an Austrian flag saved on my computer (with the republican eagle), so I said "what the hell" and used it. Let me remind you for a millionth time; I did them for myself, and shared them to the public thinking that people might enjoy it after all.

If you look at the post, it was 5 AM or so when I posted the files all together.

However, if you have EVER visited my second thread, then you'd understand that I am more careful about accuracy now.

When you start saying that it's a "grave mistake" and flame me with similar stuff on your second post, then things start to get ugly my friend.


- "And as a matter of fact, the Republic of Austria is anything but proud of its (more) noble past; therefore it is only fair not to disgrace the past itself by symbolizing it with an ugly republican eagle."

Remember, I'm half Austrian half Turkish; two nations which are extremely proud of their pasts. I'm not only patriotic, but I also agree with what you mean. I would be sensitive, too, but would choose my wording accordingly.


It is not because I don't believe you, but you think calling it a "grave mistake" and then flaming me for doing a mistake at 5 a.m will "fix Austria's reputation" or something? Cut me some slack here, I'm on my finals week... Geez...

It's not really easy to work with so many flags, and I would appreciate some understanding here. I always hated to say this, but if it's that easy, why don't you do it yourself?



Oh let me mention one more thing: I have an early Karl V era tapestry with the Habsburg coat-of-arms on it, hanging on my wall back home, in Istanbul.
 
The origins of the holy roman empire go back to Charlemagne who was crowned king of the romans by the pope in 800. After his death his three sons split the empire. the eastern german half kept the holy roman title even as Otto I only ruled the german states. This was also the first reich. IRC
 
Originally posted by SpincruS

It is not because I don't believe you, but you think calling it a "grave mistake" and then flaming me for doing a mistake at 5 a.m will "fix Austria's reputation" or something? Cut me some slack here, I'm on my finals week... Geez...
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Ok, My tone might have been a bit harsh. Sorry for that. Nontheless did you create the impression on me (in your reply) that it would be "ok to have the republican flag in the game" since "it is usable for all eras of Austria." [which is wrong, as explained beforehand]. This is why your assumption "
I guess you think I am really ill informed and stupid on this flag issue" is true. Frankly, I did think that because your reply made me to do so! Reading your latest posted I still don't know why you claimed this and whether you are sticking to this opinion or not. Confusing that is.
Btw., I wouldn't count 1967 A.D. and onwards as "Napoleonic Era."

I agree that you would have no obligation to change any flag if I requested this. Rest assured I do not; what I tried was to point out your mistake in my first post, believing that it is in a mod maker's interest to critizise his work and thus giving him the possibility to improve it. How could I have been aware that you are informed and the flag mistake was only an accident anyway? After all, it is the facts that count. If someone makes a mistake, is being corrected by another person and still claims that he is right afterwards, the other guy has to assume that someone is all too confident in his (lack of) knowledge, be it either the other person or oneself. In this case, I could safely rule the possibility of "-myself" out for reasons I don't want to explain. Let's just say that, as for Austrian history, I know what I know.

Also, I didn't mean to insult you by calling this a grave mistake - the wording I chose in that post is based on my personal opinion and attitude towards the issue. And please correct me if you feel different about this, but: My first Posting in this thread did not contain any flame, did it?
If only you had set things clear in your reply...

-The Last Knight
 
This is the right Italian kingdom flag (1848-1946)
[EDIT:] I have found a picture with crown over the arm:now I'm remaking.

Preview:

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Nice Rufus. :goodjob:
 
Originally posted by SpincruS
Muscowy (or is it spelled Muscovy? I've just learned that Muscovy is a duck species, which was NOT what I was looking for. Anyway, this is for Muscowy...)

In answer to your question, It was Moskovy. Moskovy was the original name of the city-state which is now Moscow (pronounced Moskva in Russian). All of Russia began from Moskovy.

Good job on your flags by the way.

Yuurei.


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SpincruS, do you take requests for similar flags as leaderheads?

I´d only need two - UK (union jack) and Argentinia (light blue/white/light blue horizontal tripes).

I just skimmed thought the thread and saw England, but not the UK, and not Argentinia.

That would help me a lot :)
 
Well, if I didn´t miss it there´s only an Australian flag (which has a little union jack in the corner)? However, there´s a flag of Argentinia I didn´t saw before, which helps me a lot :)

For the union jack I could use the Commonwealth flag of C3C´s pacific conquest (a union jack with a crown in the centre).

Good job on those flags, SpincruS :)
 
Great Rufus! I'm happy that the plug-in worked for you man :)

BeBro, I first didn't do the union jack for Britain, as it was included in C3C. The second thread is supposed to have one, though.

The second thread also has an Argentinian flag, along with other South American flags...
 
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