Leaderscreen Elimination Thread

Harun al-Rashid - 8
Ashurbanipal - 27
Maria Theresa - 7
Montezuma - 9 - yes, his personality is exaggerated, but everything else is done well to balance it out. We are about to eliminate the only TRULY DARK screen with an active crowd - and this is a vanilla screen!
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15 - This screen is alright and fits Celts really well. However, here comes the problem where the Celts had much more subtle art and architecture in comparison with most of the remaining civs.
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 24
Haile Selassie - 16
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 19
Askia - 13
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 20
 
Harun al-Rashid - 8
Ashurbanipal - 27
Maria Theresa - 7
Montezuma - 10
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 24
Haile Selassie - 16
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 19
Askia - 13
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 17


+1 to Monty, because he shouldn't leave now.

Yeah, he may be a bit insane and a bit overreacting, but at least he's not boring. He is entertaining, and his screen is more than well done.

-3 to Shaka. I don't like the guy, his looks and his leaderscreen more than the others on the list. While it is not bad, I think it's the worst on the list.
 
Harun al-Rashid - 8
Ashurbanipal - 27
Maria Theresa - 7
Montezuma - 7
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 24
Haile Selassie - 16
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 20
Askia - 13
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 17

MARIA I
Sure, it may not be the starry night sky that most CivFanatics like, and it may not be the big, grand leaderscreen that some other leaders have, but this leaderscreen is still one of the best. Everything in this leaderscreen just fits with everything else, from the colours, to the aesthetic, the music, the composition, the layers - everything just comes together so beautifully to create a delightfully charming leaderscreen which perfectly represents the Portugal Civ. It's not the shiniest Civ, nor is it the grandest, most overpowered, but all of it's elements just come together so smoothly, so seamlessly, and it creates a delightful Civ to play as. Truly, this is a leaderscreen which accurately represents the Civ it is attached to.

MONTEZUMA
Oww, look at me, I'm Montezuma! I'm flailing around, screaming about sacrificing captives while standing in front of a skull-filled background!
Yeah, no.

I never got the love for this leaderscreen. Sure, it's not bad, it's above average, but it's not that great. When I saw Monty the first time, flailing about like crazy, talking even crazier, it gave me a chuckle. But after seeing it over and over again, it really just got annoying. It's over-exaggerated to the point of being just plain silly. The dark lighting also subtracts somewhat from the experience, but not too much. Some people like the raving crowd in the background, but with how loud it is it can really be hard to hear Monty's theme music. My biggest complaint would have to be that the background is just completely bland; couldn't have had some more colours in there? It's a good screen, just not good enough when compared to some of the other leader's screens.

As others have pointed out, with how much of a stereotype/caricature/cartoon-ish he is, I don't know whether to be annoyed, or offended. Probably both.

Veras said:
On the other side, I must downvote Maria I. At this point her screen is no longer special and I can't forgive the chronological imprecision of its elements. Her score is only high because of the sole insistence of Talcove in upvoting her with the same justifications.
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And he will continue to upvote her for having the single best, most cohesive leader-screen in the game. :)
 
Harun al-Rashid - 8
Ashurbanipal - 27
Maria Theresa - 7
Montezuma - 4
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 25
Haile Selassie - 16
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 20
Askia - 13
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 17

No, I'm not downvoting Montezuma because of the bandwagon. The screens I really can't stand are gone, and he just strikes me as too much of a charicature rather then an actual leader. A bit of crazyness mixed in, sure, but it could've been executed a bit subtler. The faulty language is an added strike.
I will keep upvoting William, however. The clothing may appear weird to many, but then, what do most truly know about rennaisance-era clothing? What's important is the style of the room around him, and how it looks as if one of the old Dutch Masters had a hand in it. THAT is executed to perfection.
 
Sagax said:
^Nice copy-past there.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12927380&postcount=291
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12929035&postcount=305
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12931111&postcount=335
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12933062&postcount=350

EDIT: 5 in a row for 5 pages, really?
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If I vote for a certain choice once for one reason, it stands to reason that my next votes for them will be for the same reason. Besides, one of the moderators did tell me, "If you have nothing more to say, fresh reasoning isn't absolutely necessary, though it is appreciated, but at least spell out your reasoning again so that there can be discussion of it." And they were all on different days, which is the rule for voting, as I understand it.
 
Harun al-Rashid - 8
Ashurbanipal - 27
Maria Theresa - 7+1=8 Though I have no idea which palace-castle Maria is in, it is still a good screen, it has a bird of prey flying in the distance, portrays the prestige and opulence of the Hapsburgs, Maria is also at the balcony when defeated
Montezuma - 4 I'll leave it to other people to finish Monty off :p
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 25
Haile Selassie - 16-3=13 I think this would be a good place for Haile's screen to be, it's accurate, but I don't really think it represents Ethiopia well (I can't blame the developers though, because a modern leader =modern screen), Haile's voice is calm most of the time and he doesn't even seem upset when defeated, but it fits the leader in real life.
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 20
Askia - 13
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 17
 
Wow, all of the ones left are pretty good... ehhhhh=

Harun al-Rashid - 8
Ashurbanipal - 27
Maria Theresa - 8
Montezuma - 4
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 22 - Sorry William, but your screen doesn't really stand out for me. It is the definitive <Leader in throne room screen> Not that its, bad, its just all the others are better.
Still don't see why Montezuma's getting voted down though....
Haile Selassie - 13
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 21 Sometimes I look at her screen and just feel all CSI
''What's that behind her?'' I say, looking at the ships in the bay ''ENHANCE!'' I shout, exiting the leaderscreen, to find 2 Naus situated just outside Lisbon.
Askia - 13
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 17
 
Harun al-Rashid - 8
Ashurbanipal - 28
Maria Theresa - 8
Montezuma - 1
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 22
Haile Selassie - 13
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 21
Askia - 13
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 17

I'll take Monty to the sacrifitial altar, someone else will take out his heart. As for people not getting what the problem is with Monty, its not the crowd or the skull rack (the Tzompantli is actually pretty accurate), its that it turns an emperor that practicly jump started the Aztec empire into a folkloric dancer.

To make it clear:

how it is now
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how it should be
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Just make his crown Turquoise, and his robes blue, red and white and you are done.

as I said before its like Enrico dressed in carnival clothing.


And I'll give a point to Ashurbanipal, everything in that screen is done perfectly, I love it.
 
ehecatzin said:
And I'll give a point to Ashurbanipal, everything in that screen is done perfectly, I love it.
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Just one tiny thing; though you might not actually see it in game:

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Fix your attentions on the tablet. It's in the Arabic script (or something similar), written sideways...

Heck it's not even Aramaic, at least that would've been somewhat accurate...
 
well mostly perfectly done. Good catch, still overal I think its very nice leaderscreen.
 
I see your point about Montezuma's clothing, Ehecatzin. All the same, I think the idea was that you've caught him in the middle of a ceremony. He's not wearing his "state robes", so to speak, but priestly headgear (which also explains the knife). He's animated and brightly-costumed and wielding a knife because he's in the middle of a ceremonial event.

Yes, depictions of sacrifice and ceremonies have become a stereotype of Mesoamerican culture, but it does lend the scene more energy than other leaderscreens, and sets it apart from more "traditional" screens such as Pachacuti's. At least there's some context for the costume, unlike if you randomly met Enrico wearing a Carnival mask while the scene around him is clearly solemn.

It's actually one of the more successful screens that attempts to show leaders out and about while doing things. Greece and France both tried for "general on campaign" vignettes, but ended up with boring horseback portraits. Askia's screen is a bit better, but there's not much context for why you're meeting him outside a random burning city (Whose city is burning? Why would you meet him there and not in one of his own palaces/temples/gardens/camps?).
 
Yes, Aztec emperors had a dual role as Tlatoani and High priest, and in the context of the scene he is in a ceremony, I get that. However the thing he is wearing still doesnt look like a ceremonial garb or headress either, I fear I have to repeat myself but all Monty's we've had look like folkloric dancers with apocalypto inspiration.

If he was dressed (and painted) for the ocassion. It would probably be one of my favorites.
 
Harun al-Rashid - 8
Ashurbanipal - 28
Maria Theresa - 8
Montezuma - 1
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 19
Haile Selassie - 13
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 21
Askia - 14
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 17

I think it's too early for Monty to go, but I'm not willing to use a vote to save him. But lighting and colours in that screen are nice. I *do* understand that caricature charge though, even if it doesn't bother me. (I'd rather take animated than sedate.)

I'll bump Askia up, as I've always loved this screen and feel like it stands up well even after tons of expansions and DLC.

I'll take William down a peg - costuming is cool, but it's yet another in-the-office leaderscreen that I find boring. I want to see more of the Netherlands, not the inside of a room. And some of the praise for this screen seemed like damning it with faint praise (something about "lit like the Dutch Masters"... What?!).
 
Harun al-Rashid - 8
Ashurbanipal - 28
Maria Theresa - 8
Montezuma - 1 - 3=0: And we killed him. I'm sorry Monty, all the bad ones are gone, and maybe you don't deserve to go, but did Pocatello and Kamehameha deserve to go?
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 19 + 1= 20: The pants are really ugly, but it's one of the best screens
Haile Selassie - 13
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 21
Askia - 14
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 17
 
seanflokstra7 said:
Montezuma - 1 - 3=0: And we killed him. I'm sorry Monty, all the bad ones are gone, and maybe you don't deserve to go, but did Pocatello and Kamehameha deserve to go?
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Actually they did. The Aztec's screen was much better than theirs and than most of the remaining ones. RIP Montezuma.

Harun al-Rashid - 5
Ashurbanipal - 28
Maria Theresa - 8
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 20:
Haile Selassie - 13
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 21
Askia - 15
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 17

I was thinking in downvoting Indonesia for the simplicity of the screen, but I realized I kinda like it. So my vote goes to static Harun al Rashid.

Next, I tried to save the only screen worth saving in the danger zone. I know it is rather strange to constantly meet the leader in front of a burning city the whole game, but we got to admit that it is one of the most beautiful screens in the game. Full of melancholy.
 
Harun al-Rashid - 5 - 3 = 2
Ashurbanipal - 28
Maria Theresa - 8
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 20:
Haile Selassie - 13
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 21
Askia - 15
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 17 + 1 = 18

Harun, you've lasted too long already. I understand the problems with Montezuma, but there's no way he should have gone before Mr Sitting There.

I'll keep upvoting Shaka if people keep downvoting him. He's awesome, his voice is awesome, the village is cool with the skeletons.
 
Harun al-Rashid - 0 XIMICACAN! XIMICACAN! XIMICACAN! Bye Harun. Your leaderscreen was too sedate. Perhaps if we ever actually got to see your supposed peacock menagerie, you would have ranked higher.
Ashurbanipal - 28
Maria Theresa - 8
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 18
William - 20:
Haile Selassie - 13
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 21
Askia - 15
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 19 Shaka doesn't deserve to start sliding yet. His animations are active, the music is good for both war and peace, and the setting is appropriately intimidating.
 
Ashurbanipal - 28
Maria Theresa - 8
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 19
William - 20:
Haile Selassie - 13
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 23
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 21
Askia - 15
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 19

Harald: Upvoting for the removable helmet
Enrico: It's good, but it's not THAT good. I dunno; I wish it were livelier...
 
Commence Montezuma's revenge!

Ashurbanipal - 28
Maria Theresa - 8
Theodora - 22
Dido - 18
Boudicca - 15
Harald Bluetooth - 19
William - 20:
Haile Selassie - 10 - Haile's screen is the opposite of Montezuma's in many aspects. Monty's screen is inaccurate and over the top, but interesting. Haile's screen is accurate and "rational", but boring.
Pachacuti - 25
Gajah Mada - 24 - The only screen that always makes me feel like I`m discovering the civ for the very first time. If only that mist actually moved...
Pacal - 21
Maria I - 21
Askia - 15
Enrico Dandolo - 28
Shaka - 19
 
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