Let's add Bulgaria too...

Should Bulgaria be included in some of the future Civ projects?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 30.0%
  • No

    Votes: 44 44.0%
  • I don't care

    Votes: 26 26.0%

  • Total voters
    100
Note: Every mention of the Slavic culture,people or nations will exclude Russia.

Most people couldn't even point out Bulgaria on a world map, so no they shouldn't be in...

The popularity of the Slavic nations(like Poland and Ukraine) is thanks to the recant tragedies, not because they are great powers or have some major cultural influence.
Bulgaria was a mass phenomenon after the April Uprising in which over 15,000 were slaughter, the tragedy become quite famous in Europe. After the country has freed itself it shifted the powers in Europe(The Ottomans were no longer a superpower) and was favored by the world press. However later on the country lost its popularity due to the most incompetent policy the world has ever seen.

And that Russia is the only Slavic State. I would like Serbia, Poland, Bulgaria, which ever one works, as long as i see another Slavic Nation.

So do I. It will be interesting to see Poland(I have some dear friends from there) and Ukraine( my best buddy is from that part of the world).
Let's just hope they don't decide to make up for the lack of Slavic nations with the USSR.

to keep their own culture during "cultural occupation"

Bad move, really bad move.There is a reason why I didn't use "cultural occupation" and instead called it "Enslavement".
During the 500 years in which the Ottomans were on Bulgarian land there were an uncountable number of villages burned to the ground. Bulgarians were given the choice to betray they're religion and/or language or face death(no one know how many people were killed in that half millenia). Ottoman soldiers raped and pillaged when they wanted to and there was nothing to stop them. The Bulgarians were forced to pay a blood tax giving they're children to the enslavers and feeding the Janissary army. There were cases in which the children killed they're own parents not knowing that the people they are slaying are those who gave them birth. 10% of everything the people owned was given to the Sultan - crops,cattle and items - yearly.
For 400 years the only thing that separated the Bulgarians from the Ottomans was the Greek Orthodox Church. It was not until 1762 when the monk Paisii Hilendarski wrote the first book about Bulgarian history and then the people start to seek freedom from the oppression. It took 400 years for the first ray of light to show up.
The Ottomans finally allowed the building of Bulgarian schools and churches on one condition - the building must not be higher then a man on a horse. That rule force the building to be mostly underground driving the people away from the surface if they sought enlightenment like some sort of animals.
In the end so many people have died that Russia was forced to engage in a war against the Empire and free the country. The most important battle was the Battle at Shipka in which the Bulgarian resistance and part of the Russian 3rd(or 2nd) army took part. For three day the Resistance hold the mountain top. In the end there was no ammunitions for the guns, every tree and rock was a weapon and the Resistance continue to fight until there was nothing on the ground left. In a last despaired act the Bulgarians took the dead bodies and start throwing corpses over the Ottomans until finally reinforcements arrived.
I want to make a note that I'm a globalist and personally don't like the nationalism, however even I myself am a little touch on this subject.
Calling that period a "cultural oppression" is like saying the Hitler just visited Poland for a while and that The Soviet Union did some bad thing to Ukraine, but nothing serious.
I would also like to point that I hold no grudge against Turkey, the Turkish population and respect they're country,culture and history.

I voted "yes" because I prefer Bulgaria over Poland.

And if possible I would like to see them both, it would be awesome.
 
Let's just hope they don't decide to make up for the lack of Slavic nations with the USSR.

you know, if people just keep "nagging" about Poland or Bulgaria (;)), then eventually they will do that to "try to make everyone happy".

we'll know the result, right? ;)
 
Because Rome is already in the game, duh.

:rolleyes:

Erm... I wish we could be compared to Rome... :eek:

As for the poll, only if there will ever be a new expansion, which I know is not going to happen, or an European scenario, then both Poland and Bulgaria seem good choices, I think. And Serbia too. In a normal, world-like, epic game, with the current number of civs, any of those shouldn't really be in IMO.
 

Bad move, really bad move.There is a reason why I didn't use "cultural occupation" and instead called it "Enslavement".
During the 500 years in which the Ottomans were on Bulgarian land there were an uncountable number of villages burned to the ground. Bulgarians were given the choice to betray they're religion and/or language or face death(no one know how many people were killed in that half millenia). Ottoman soldiers raped and pillaged when they wanted to and there was nothing to stop them. The Bulgarians were forced to pay a blood tax giving they're children to the enslavers and feeding the Janissary army. There were cases in which the children killed they're own parents not knowing that the people they are slaying are those who gave them birth. 10% of everything the people owned was given to the Sultan - crops,cattle and items - yearly.
For 400 years the only thing that separated the Bulgarians from the Ottomans was the Greek Orthodox Church. It was not until 1762 when the monk Paisii Hilendarski wrote the first book about Bulgarian history and then the people start to seek freedom from the oppression. It took 400 years for the first ray of light to show up.
The Ottomans finally allowed the building of Bulgarian schools and churches on one condition - the building must not be higher then a man on a horse. That rule force the building to be mostly underground driving the people away from the surface if they sought enlightenment like some sort of animals.
In the end so many people have died that Russia was forced to engage in a war against the Empire and free the country. The most important battle was the Battle at Shipka in which the Bulgarian resistance and part of the Russian 3rd(or 2nd) army took part. For three day the Resistance hold the mountain top. In the end there was no ammunitions for the guns, every tree and rock was a weapon and the Resistance continue to fight until there was nothing on the ground left. In a last despaired act the Bulgarians took the dead bodies and start throwing corpses over the Ottomans until finally reinforcements arrived.
I want to make a note that I'm a globalist and personally don't like the nationalism, however even I myself am a little touch on this subject.
Calling that period a "cultural oppression" is like saying the Hitler just visited Poland for a while and that The Soviet Union did some bad thing to Ukraine, but nothing serious.
I would also like to point that I hold no grudge against Turkey, the Turkish population and respect they're country,culture and history.


I'm sorry if I insulted you, but since I didn't know the severity I put it between quotes (and also out of lack of another name). And for the sake of the context of cultural preservation it seemed like an appropriate word; no harm was meant. :)
 
The "P" subject is everywhere ;) :D

I voted "Yes" because the question was 'in some of the future...' I think that each civ should get such chance.
 
Gooooo Bulgaria!

Here's to getting Firaxis to do $10 downloads for civ packs!
Pack 1:
Bulgaria
Poland
Israel
Polynesia
Gran-Columbia

whoot whoot!
 
Bulgaria, Serbia, Spain and Portugal have been in many ways much more important to Europe than for example France or Britain.

These countries saved Europe from evil forces more than once. They won arabs and ottomans and saved Europe from barbarity we are still seeing in Middle-East. For that we should always be grateful to bulgarians and other people who didnt bow their heads before muslims.
 
I'm sorry if I insulted you, but since I didn't know the severity I put it between quotes (and also out of lack of another name). And for the sake of the context of cultural preservation it seemed like an appropriate word; no harm was meant. :)

No insult taken. You are right, cultural preservation is appropriate, but do have in mind what I wrote when speaking to Bulgarians about this. And I guess I too must apologize if i sounded rude.

Mirc, you are right, but the problem here comes from the fact that Korea is in the game which is just a ticking bomb for the smaller countries with not so much significance during history or have been overlooked by Firaxis(which is inevitable due to the scales of the project).

Cybrxkhan, if we continue to whine they will do it(for the sake of peace :goodjob: ), and then there will be fun in here(considering how much fuss there is about Stalin).

TobyWanKenobi, if they do this EA will sue 2k for stealing the marketing plan of the company :p .
 
Well Bulgaria would be a "different" choice. And it would be interesting. I guess I wouldn't mind it, but I have a list of civs I prefer over it.
 
Bulgaria, Serbia, Spain and Portugal have been in many ways much more important to Europe than for example France or Britain.

These countries saved Europe from evil forces more than once. They won arabs and ottomans and saved Europe from barbarity we are still seeing in Middle-East. For that we should always be grateful to bulgarians and other people who didnt bow their heads before muslims.

Erm... Britain had the biggest empire that ever existed in the world... can you really compare anything to that? And the Spanish did not WIN to the Arabs, they LOST. Not saying they're not important, but I don't see the connection. And the Portuguese too. In fact, it was France who stopped the Arabs from advancing into Europe.

Mirc, you are right, but the problem here comes from the fact that Korea is in the game which is just a ticking bomb for the smaller countries with not so much significance during history or have been overlooked by Firaxis(which is inevitable due to the scales of the project).

Well, I've never agreed with Korea, since it appeared in Civ3's expansions. :sad:
 
Ha! Well from a players perspective...who cares!

It would be fun to have a $#*! load of civs in the game...just from a variety point of view!

and it would stop people from complaining that their favorite obscure civilization didn't get representation.

oh wait, that would never happen.
 
Bulgaria should be added!
It is not Greek, Turkish, Slavic or Russian... It is Bulgaria!
I vote Yes.
 
Bulgaria should be added!
It is not Greek, Turkish, Slavic or Russian... It is Bulgaria!
I vote Yes.
I thuoght the general accepted theory is that the non-indo-european (small) population of Bulgars was assimilated by the Slavs? How is Bulgaria not Slavic? :)

Edit: Crosspost.
 
Heh, maybe they should really start making cheap little civ packs that contain nothing but added civs. If they did enough of those civs, I might get them to do Finland eventually, yay.
 
^ That would be a good idea, and it would alsobe nice if they made all the countries existing in the world right now... :)

But it would take a lot of time.
 
Heh, maybe they should really start making cheap little civ packs that contain nothing but added civs. If they did enough of those civs, I might get them to do Finland eventually, yay.

I would love to play Finland!

Is there a petition, where I can sign? j/k
 
^ That would be a good idea, and it would alsobe nice if they made all the countries existing in the world right now... :)

But it would take a lot of time.

The game will be to big for a computer to handle. I hope by then we have better comps.
 
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